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    That thing is mind-blowing. Saturn's north pole is dominated by this gigantic cloud shape, supposedly so large that it could fit four planets the size of Earth. Worth of mentioning, our planet polar vortexes are circular, not hexagonal.
    There are quite a few hexagonal shapes naturally formed but not this size.




    The eyewall, a hurricane storm region around the south pole, measuring approximately two thirds the diameter of Earth. It has been estimated that the winds in this large area are blowing clockwise, reaching 500-550 km per hour.


    Any thoughts on these phenomenons?

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    Some planets will undoubtedly be less habitable than others.

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    ALIENS!!!

    The Universe throws all sorts of strange stuff around, not being a scientist I tend to just observe and think "Ooooh, funky" or something to that effect. Perhaps google it and learn the summary of how it works/how it came into being out of curiosity.

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    the first image reminds me of Half Life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poach View Post
    Perhaps google it and learn the summary of how it works/how it came into being out of curiosity.
    Never thought of that.

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    They will be to do with the balance of Gravity at the poles, and outside gravitational forces.

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    I'm pretty sure David.cole knows what this means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duberdicus View Post
    I'm pretty sure David.cole knows what this means.
    Hexagonal cyclon but people already answered about this

    But anyway mutations occourred not only in Saturn...

    Jupiter




    Venus

    Last edited by DAVIDE; April 14, 2010 at 01:56 PM.

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    I thought an Astrophysicist from the 70s or 80s predicted natural structures like that could exist at the poles of gas giants.

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    The shape is the result of the atmosphere spinning so violently. You can do the same thing with a bucket of water and a drill. As the drill turns the water and speeds it up the water will transition from an eye shape, to a triangle, to a square, to a pentagon, to a hexagon etc.

    This is because the centripetal force is forcing the water towards the edge of the bucket however gravity is pulling it down. I'd assume with an atmosphere spinning thousands of miles an hour and much higher gravity this effect is multiplied greatly.
    Last edited by Elfdude; February 13, 2010 at 06:11 AM.

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    Right if it was that simple why is it still technically unexplained? No astronomers/etc have been able to come up with a proper explaination for this(besides hyper-dimensional physics/action at a distance but that is disregarded as crap.... for some reason... >_>)

    but yeah, anyways, show me the source that proves that this is caused by "centripetal force"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunar4 View Post
    Right if it was that simple why is it still technically unexplained? No astronomers/etc have been able to come up with a proper explaination for this(besides hyper-dimensional physics/action at a distance but that is disregarded as crap.... for some reason... >_>)

    but yeah, anyways, show me the source that proves that this is caused by "centripetal force"
    I was unaware it was considered 'unexplained'. Its no surprise to physicists and cosmologists. It's a hallow space like the eye of a hurricane on a planet who's atmosphere is extremely dense and extremely fast.

    As for the source it's on a paysite, I'm looking for a free version.
    Last edited by Elfdude; February 19, 2010 at 06:27 PM.

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    Due to an inability to go measure the conditions and such of the planet, Lunar4, I doubt you'll get anything conclusively proving that centripetal force is causing this effect.

    elfdude was saying that centripetal forces are known to cause these effects, and as such it is theoretically possible that such forces are at work here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximinus Thrax View Post

    The eyewall, a hurricane storm region around the south pole, measuring approximately two thirds the diameter of Earth. It has been estimated that the winds in this large area are blowing clockwise, reaching 500-550 km per hour.


    Any thoughts on these phenomenons?
    i want to see a video of that

    but it won't happen in out lifetime

    feels bad man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    i want to see a video of that
    A footage from inside Saturn's atmosphere? That would be quite a sight.

    In the meantime...

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    I meant the "Hexagon". Its still officially "unexplained". Nobody really knows how/why it happened. I remember when it was first discovered, everyone was just like "wow ummm wtf is that" then it wasnt ever really brought up again. Figures :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunar4 View Post
    I meant the "Hexagon". Its still officially "unexplained". Nobody really knows how/why it happened. I remember when it was first discovered, everyone was just like "wow ummm wtf is that" then it wasnt ever really brought up again. Figures :/
    I don't think I was born yet when it was discovered. When they sent the cassini probe recently however they were able to extrapolate data from the speed of the atmosphere and everything. The fluid in the bucket experiment is an experiment developed to explain the phenomena and one I first saw in highschool physics. I don't think it's unexplained. Explaining why the weather patterns on saturn are so violently chaotic is another story considering we can't even explain our own weather.

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    Time for an update: the hexagon is recreated in lab

    Source www.sciencemag.org



    Saturn boasts one of the solar system's most geometrical features: a giant hexagon encircling its north pole. Though not as famous as Jupiter’s Great Red Spot, Saturn's Hexagon is equally mysterious. Now researchers have recreated this formation in the lab using little more than water and a spinning table—an important first step, experts say, in finally deciphering this cosmic mystery.

    Saturn’s striped appearance comes from jet streams that fly east to west through its atmosphere at different latitudes. Most jets form circular bands, but the Voyager spacecraft snapped pictures of an enormous hexagonally shaped one (each side rivals Earth's diameter) when it passed over the planet's north pole in 1988. Stumped scientists first attributed the shape to a huge, stormlike vortex along one of the hexagon’s sides, which Voyager also spotted during its journey. Astronomers believed this gyre was altering the jet stream’s course, much in the same way a large rock would change a nearby river’s path. But when the Cassini mission returned to Saturn and photographed Saturn's north pole in 2006, the vortex was gone, yet the hexagon was still there.

    Physicists Ana Claudia Barbosa Aguiar and Peter Read of the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom wanted to see if they could recreate the hexagon in the lab. They placed a 30-liter cylinder of water on a slowly spinning table; the water represented Saturn’s atmosphere spinning with the planet’s rotation. Inside this tank, they placed a small ring that whirled more rapidly than the cylinder. This created a miniature artificial "jet stream" that the researchers tracked with a green dye.
    The faster the ring rotated, the less circular the green jet stream became. Small eddies formed along its edges, which slowly became larger and stronger and forced the fluid within the ring into the shape of a polygon. By altering the rate at which the ring spun, the scientists could generate various shapes. “We could create ovals, triangles, squares, almost anything you like,” says Read. The bigger the difference in the rotation between the planet and the jet steam—that is the cylinder and the ring—the fewer sides the polygon had, the team reports in this month's issue of Icarus. Barbosa Aguiar and Read suggest that Saturn’s north polar jet stream spins at a rate relative to the rest of the atmosphere that favors a six-sided figure, hence the hexagon.

    Such polygonal formations have been observed in the center of major hurricanes on Earth, says Barbosa Aguiar, though they quickly dissipate. “Most planetary scientists are not aware of how ubiquitous these sorts of patterns are in fluid dynamics.”

    Planetary scientist Kevin Baines of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, is impressed. “These results are very intriguing,” he says. “The team has formed what I think is a landmark paper that could stand the test of time.” Although the lab experiment does not explain what force is driving this particular jet stream, he says that the results can give real insight into what might be going on in Saturn’s atmosphere.
    Check out the video footage on the web page.

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    Let's send a non-tripulated machine and check if it survives:

    1 - Entering Saturn's atmosphere without being shattered to pieces in a second.
    2 - Filming the hurricanes non-stop without being shattered to pieces in a second.
    3 - Being able to send signs to the Earth despite extremely hostile atmospheric conditions.

    I meant the "Hexagon". Its still officially "unexplained". Nobody really knows how/why it happened. I remember when it was first discovered, everyone was just like "wow ummm wtf is that" then it wasnt ever really brought up again. Figures :/
    Da Guvt is behind it!
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