Rohan Economy

[Stario]

OK never had trouble with economy until I installed the RC/RR patch for TATW 1.4
Now after about turn 5 I find my self in bankruptcy. So what order buildings should I build to maximise economy? & is it a good idea to increase taxes to high? Also Rohan seem to have lots of castles is there a way to convert castles into cities? to make more money? the option doesn't seem to be available?

[Baron Samedi]

So what order buildings should I build to maximise economy?

Roads, ports, farms, mines, markets...

is it a good idea to increase taxes to high?

That depends on what your objectives are. Do you want more money early game or in late game?

Also Rohan seem to have lots of castles is there a way to convert castles into cities? to make more money? the option doesn't seem to be available?

Not possible mate.

[Stario]

Roads, ports, farms, mines, markets...


That depends on what your objectives are. Do you want more money early game or in late game?


Not possible mate.

Ty for the reply, its nice to know the order of economic buildings. Because i was 5K in dept by turn 15 I decided to star over and use a blitz strategy to concur a couple of neighboring rebel bases and with the 2.5K bonus for taking those bases of the hands of the rebels I managed to get my economy rolling over and its all good now

As of for the castle conversion to city and vice-versa thing, well I am used to playing SS mod where this is possible. So I guess it makes it even harder then since cities make more money. Or is it possible to build every type of building even in a castle on the TATW mod? Because compared to Gondor for example Rohan has way too many castles.

[trueblaze]

Most units can be built in either castles or cites, but units built in castles with high level barrics get higher exp starting bonuses. The max in the city is +1 at the highest level, while castles give +1 at the second highest level and +2 at the highest level.

Sorry to go off topic, but what is the difference between a unit with 1 band, 2 bands and 3 bands. I know when they change from color to color they gain one extra attack point but what's the difference otherwise?

[Muffer Nl]

Morale, stamina

[djamesc]

On the question of Rohan, is it possible to limit Rohan to wooden walls?

edit: it drives me nuts when Edoras has stone walls. The only place they should have with walls is Helms Deep.

[Seleukos_I.]

You could do it, but then Rohan wouldn't have any settlements bigger than towns and that would be a bad thing for them

[Russian Gondor]

Well, this is my strategy:

1) Build troops
2) When my money goes down increase taxes
3) Fight the enemy, lose some troops
4) Lower taxes

I find buildings like markets/roads useless. I only build roads to get my men from place to place fast. I only build markets if I happen to be at peace for a few turns.

[Seleukos_I.]

Roads are the most essential thing as nearly every faction in TATW.
Markets are also very important, though not that much for Rohan, because markets are more efficient in towns with a port, to which Rohan only has limited access.

[Russian Gondor]

I still try to bypass them in the beginning. I build roads in the first turns and if I have extra money around turn 20 or 30 I build markets in all my towns. ( preparing for excellent units soon )

[Duke_Dutch]

I play with Rohan to this very moment.
Economie tips:

1) edoras have the building that produce the most money. sometimes the best stategy is to don nothing.
2) doin't go at turn 4 into war with Isenguard, you doin't have the money for that.
3) make traderights with isenguard, it is not much your get but every coin each turn count's.
3) make only at one spot unit production building, Helmsdiep or Edoras.
4) to the The north-east, east, west and south. there are no enemies. so remove all useles units there and protect your citys with only 1 to 3 units.
5) advance quick noth to frangorn to block isenguard advance. as wel as west to take the cap of Rohan and the other lands ( got to the sea to the west). so that you get trade with Condor from seatrade.

[Baron Samedi]

1) edoras have the building that produce the most money. sometimes the best stategy is to don nothing.

If you do nothing then you will certainly lose.

2) doin't go at turn 4 into war with Isenguard, you doin't have the money for that
3) make traderights with isenguard, it is not much your get but every coin each turn count's.

99% of the time you end up fighting them anyway. By turn 25-30 there is usually an invasion on Edoras and Isengard will most likely join. Bye bye peace and trade rights.

3) make only at one spot unit production building, Helmsdiep or Edoras.

For what reason?

4) to the The north-east, east, west and south. there are no enemies. so remove all useles units there and protect your citys with only 1 to 3 units.

To the west you have Isengard and Mordor enters the map usually nord-east through SE terrain and south-east through Minas Tirith.

5) advance quick noth to frangorn to block isenguard advance. as wel as west to take the cap of Rohan and the other lands ( got to the sea to the west). so that you get trade with Condor from seatrade.

Expanding fast might be a good idea, but remember that you will have to defend a large terrain with limited resources, so I would suggest not to overexpand.

[Point Blank]

In RR/RC any Rohan stable higher than tier 1 also increases trade goods.

[IHV]

Rohan is always kinda tricky due to Invasion on Edoras what put your capital under siege and vastly decreases income. During Invasions i always have my balance on minus side what makes it even harder if not impossible to survive it.
Economy is quite harsh overall in TA if you ask me, weird tho since i tried Stainless Steel the other day and had all the money in the world and nowhere to spend it. (on VH) Both mods are done by same guy.

[Duke_Dutch]

true, in turn 6 they call an invasion and within 3 turn harrad, morder, Ruhn and the Goblins are at your gates. is it possible to reduce the speed of these invasion (crusader) army's?

The reason why I only build at 2 spots unit-producten buildings is because they cost much and Edoras region gives a bonus for more construction of horsemen and Helmsdiep give one expriencepoint for your troops. second, edoras is always under attack and you doint have time to send troops to reinforge because Morder is at turn 3 at your gate.

[Thracius]

Rohan is limited to pretty much one to two ports and they are both rebel so it's quite foolish to suggest ports so lightly.

Rohan is tough but I've managed as it, yes you should have war time taxes (Increased taxes) as you will need to horde up all the money you can if civil unrest becomes high just decrease the the taxes for that settlement normal should be the lowest.

I agree troop buildings should be limited to Helms Deep so you will have more money to focus on your economic stability, however there are a few strategies you could take...

You could blitz Isengard, they will get alot stronger as they progress and become a real threat to you, or you could try to slowly expand for stability and try to keep peace with them. However like suggested before they probably will join the invasion.

Now for defending Edoras you could horde troops there and hope to hold off the invasion but the games alot different from Vanilla so you wont get an easy moral break when holding them at the gate even if you flank their backs with a cavalry force. And even if you beat the first invasion army more come so I use this strategy.

When the invasion is called I abandon the city and allow the nearest Invasion army to take Edoras which is usually Isengard, this will make it so you don't have to fight off the endless hordes of Melkor. Then you just retake the city, I'd usually use a slightly smaller force than the enemy so they will sally to attack me and you don't have to go through the annoyance of taking the walls and breaching the gate.

[Baron Samedi]

is it possible to reduce the speed of these invasion (crusader) army's?

I believe its possible. Try the following:

• Open descr_campaign_db.xml with notepad, located in: ...\Medieval II Total War\mods\Third_Age\data
• Find the line:

  <movement_points_modifier float="2.5"/>

• Reduce the number and save the file.

When the invasion is called I abandon the city and allow the nearest Invasion army to take Edoras which is usually Isengard, this will make it so you don't have to fight off the endless hordes of Melkor. Then you just retake the city, I'd usually use a slightly smaller force than the enemy so they will sally to attack me and you don't have to go through the annoyance of taking the walls and breaching the gate.

Why don't you prior to the invasion, do the following:

1. Delete your buildings that can recruit in Edoras.
2. Sell Edoras to Isengard for a great amount of money
3. Take the empty city back

[BlackViper]

I believe its possible. Try the following:

1. Delete your buildings that can recruit in Edoras.
2. Sell Edoras to Isengard for a great amount of money
3. Take the empty city back

Or you just cheat your way to Mordor and beat the crap out of them with a simple command like auto_win attacker.

[damnmap]

Initial blitzkrieg is very important... snap up as many reb settlements as possible by using the power of your cavalry charge to destroy larger armies that sally (1 general with decent command and two infantry to pin the enemy usually suffices). I can often keep isengard neutral perhaps even an alliance at times, the invasion spoils chances to wipe them out as you will need a full stack in edo, though that guys advice to sell it to isen is great so perhaps do that lol. You have to be quick isengard devours the western rebel settlements with no mercy, there are also settlements in the east that remain untouched for many turns (places east of the river and north of lothlorien)

[IHV]

Nice tactics to avoid the hordes of orcs during invasion, tho if you like to kinda "roleplay" the game, like me, then giving up Edoras is out of question. Now i know why im one of the few who struggle holding them off