Is Islamacism a reaction to globalization?

[Farnan]

Is Islamacism a reaction to the globalization of culture (that is Western based)?

I mean in some ways it bears resemblances to the Anti-Western revolutions of old, such as the Boxer Rebellion in China. Many of the same arguments are used, saying that Westerners are destroying the old culture and threatening their ways. They also state that Westerners are trying to control their nations (similar to the Boxer claim the Westerners were trying to take over China (which was partly true)).

Dr. Kilcullen even mentions that in his book as a reason behind the Takfiri movement in Islam.

[Arch-hereticK]

Good thread.

I'm certain that is what is behind the excessive Takfiri recently, but my view is that counter-reaction to this is actually hastening of westernisation of young people: particularily in Turkey and from what I observed in parts of Egypt.

It's a slow process, and whatever the outcome will be, the middle east will be a better place for it.

[Farnan]

That is what I mean by globalization of culture which is mostly Western (though with many non-Western influences).

[Thorn777]

Not just, but as well. More like a catalysator that works both ways(anti and pro Islamicism).

[Poet]

Depends on what you mean by Islamism, as after 9/11 words connected with Islam got new and vast meanings.For me Islamism means being a true, pure Muslim believing strongly whatever was said by Allah in Qura;n and Propeht (pbuh), but the let us come to your definition, yes it is true that what you call Islamic extremism or etc is a reaction to west's acts.Two big issues with Muslims, Kashmir, and Palestine, behind both malicious interests of West we can clearly see.Both are now nuclear flash points too. So yes it is reaction to your acts.

[hellheaven1987]

No, it is actually a response of Imperialism during 19th Century, which we can say it is part of Nationalism movement.

[Farnan]

No, it is actually a response of Imperialism during 19th Century, which we can say it is part of Nationalism movement.

Actually Islamacism wasn't big till the 1970s, before then Nationalism defined the region. Different movements.

[hellheaven1987]

Actually Islamacism wasn't big till the 1970s, before then Nationalism defined the region. Different movements.

No, it has already existed before that; Algerians had use that to fight French for several times.

[Farnan]

No, it has already existed before that; Algerians had use that to fight French for several times.

No that was nationalism, there was very little Islamacism there. They may have used Muslim some, but Muslim Nationalism defers from Islamacism too (Islamacisim is connected to Salafism).

[Burnum]

Islamism is a Utopian political Ideology, Where Islam defines Society not race, Culture or Geography. Like Communism or Libertarianism, it has inherently impossible Goals.

why islamists would be afraid of free trade is beyond me

Free trade brings new Ideas.

[Simon Cashmere]

Islamism is a Utopian political Ideology, Where Islam defines Society not race, Culture or Geography. Like Communism or Libertarianism, it has inherently impossible Goals.



Free trade brings new Ideas.

If your idea of 'utopia' includes living under a religious dictatorship with clerics as your infallible masters, in a misogynistic, intolerant, supremacist warlike society that is fond of beheading trouble makers - then it might be considered utopian. My own view is that it falls more within 'dystopia'.

[Arch-hereticK]

No, it is actually a response of Imperialism during 19th Century, which we can say it is part of Nationalism movement.

A bit slow are they?

[Farnan]

A bit slow are they?

Naa, he simply didn't see the difference between the Nationalism and Islamicism movements (which hate each other).

Elements of Islamacist thought existed since the colonial era, but it didn't really start gaining steam till the loss of the 1967 war and then success in Afghanistan.

[Arch-hereticK]

Naa, he simply didn't see the difference between the Nationalism and Islamicism movements (which hate each other).

Lol, like Kurdistan lobbying for stricter Shariah law.

[priam11]

, yes it is true that what you call Islamic extremism or etc is a reaction to west's acts.Two big issues with Muslims, Kashmir, and Palestine, behind both malicious interests of West we can clearly see.Both are now nuclear flash points too. So yes it is reaction to your acts.

Am I missing something here?

How are malicious interests of the West behind that one? Regarding Kashmir, the flash point is between India and Pakistan. Last time I looked at a map, they were nowhere near the west.

And Islamic extremism is simply not a reaction to the West. Many dissatisfied Muslims that make up that group, are often from the very poor and uneducated peoples of a region. Many are live under governments that treat them like crap and instead of reacting to that, they are encouraged to react to an outside fore (i.e. The West). Proponents of this extremism like to point the finger at someone else instead of actually manning up and sharing some of the blame.

[Poet]

Am I missing something here?

How are malicious interests of the West behind that one? Regarding Kashmir, the flash point is between India and Pakistan. Last time I looked at a map, they were nowhere near the west.

And Islamic extremism is simply not a reaction to the West. Many dissatisfied Muslims that make up that group, are often from the very poor and uneducated peoples of a region. Many are live under governments that treat them like crap and instead of reacting to that, they are encouraged to react to an outside fore (i.e. The West). Proponents of this extremism like to point the finger at someone else instead of actually manning up and sharing some of the blame.

England, was responsible of injustice with people of Kashmir as well as Palestine.Two districts of Gurdaspur and Fairozpur were the supply route to Kashmir, both like Kashmir were Muslims majority and according to simple religious majority based rule of partition, three of them were our right, but because our leader denied Mount Baton to be first Governor General of Pakistan, he in this enmity gave these three regions to India.Plus Nehru's wife used her relations with him to make him decide that these three regions be given to India, totally against Justice and Impartiality.

Now that was the historical relation, now come to present situation. Those fighters who fought in Kashmir and Afghanistan, do not have any major difference in their ideas.Afghan and Pakistani Jihadies have been fighting in Kashmir with India,Now because Kashmir issue was not resolved according to Justice, there is freedom fight (against India and they hate England who caused this) plus they do not like American and European favor of India and only be this idiotic to say that Kashmir issue is not creating problems to Globalization and Global powers.

[Gromovnik]

Two districts of Gurdaspur and Fairozpur were the supply route to Kashmir, both like Kashmir were Muslims majority

According to wikipedia Firozpur and the indian part of Gurdaspur do not have muslim majority.

[s.rwitt]

Depends on what you mean by Islamism, as after 9/11 words connected with Islam got new and vast meanings.For me Islamism means being a true, pure Muslim believing strongly whatever was said by Allah in Qura;n and Propeht (pbuh), but the let us come to your definition, yes it is true that what you call Islamic extremism or etc is a reaction to west's acts.Two big issues with Muslims, Kashmir, and Palestine, behind both malicious interests of West we can clearly see.Both are now nuclear flash points too. So yes it is reaction to your acts.

An entirely irrational reaction.

[Farnan]

Its not just the Western governments its the globalization of culture that is up against traditional culture.

I'm not supporting Islamicism, I am trying to understand it so it can be fought.

Know your enemies and know yourself and you do not need to fear a thousand battles - Sun Tzu.

[boofhead]

Its not just the Western governments its the globalization of culture that is up against traditional culture.

I'm not supporting Islamicism, I am trying to understand it so it can be fought.

Know your enemies and know yourself and you do not need to fear a thousand battles - Sun Tzu.

I think he's referring to how to kick their arse.

Killing them all is a decent way of fighting them.

I didn't see the Allies in ww2 asking ''so why are you so mean, Mr.Hitler?''

Who cares? Leave that for highbrows to discuss when it is over.