Developing Moria to citadel

[Lare]

Moria is supposed to be citadel until you can build mithril mines there. After building Mithril mines, you get Balrog - the reason I'm playing the orcs.

The problem is, it really takes ages for Moria to develop to citadel. I'm playing on turn 53 and Moria has a pathetic population of 2800. When will it be citadel-size? At turn 300? I think I've already either lost or won the game by then. Is it really supposed to take this long or am I doing something wrong?

[Hound of Culann]

The citadels are limited only to Minas Tirith and the Black Gate in 1,4 i think

[Wrain]

From the patchnotes:
- Citadels limited to Minas Tirith & Barad-dur, Isengard, Moria
- Huge Cities only possible at Dol Amroth, Bree, Umbar, Kelepar, Khand, Dale, Erebor

[Hound of Culann]

From the patchnotes:
- Citadels limited to Minas Tirith & Barad-dur, Isengard, Moria
- Huge Cities only possible at Dol Amroth, Bree, Umbar, Kelepar, Khand, Dale, Erebor

Oh they were that numerous

[Lordinquisitor]

Well, i think it`s actually intended to make the Balrog "difficult" to recruit. Having them basically means that you won.

[Wrain]

I just checked my HE campaign. I conquered Moria pretty early in the game (around turn 60-70), and even with only a 0.5-1.0% population grown i was able to build the Citadel around the 110th turn.
Moria gained around 1k pop every 10 turns.

[Seleukos_I.]

Just keep a general with high chivalry in the city. He will ensure great growing rates.

[jản]

Just keep a general with high chivalry in the city. He will ensure great growing rates.

... and with traits for population growth, culture growth, public order, law, health, trade and happiness advantages.

[Twist of Cain]

... and with traits for population growth, culture growth, public order, law, health, trade and happiness advantages.

It seems quite difficult to cultivate a general like this for the OotMM faction. You start with a glut of castles, which makes this even more difficult. Even my orc generals with 8-10 chivalry accumulate so many negative perks for squalor, etc that this typically cancels out population bonus completely. So much for goblins and orcs "multiplying" like crazy. I doubt I will see Moria as a citadel within the 200th turn, and at turn 120 or so, I have basically already won the game, the rest is just crushing resistance.

To add irony to insult, you can't recruit heavy goblin infantry until then either... which means I had to capture elven settlements to get better goblins from there.

[Russian Gondor]

Well, given that only 10 units of triple gold swan knights can defeat the balrogs..... it is fair....

[Bloodzen]

Well, given that only 10 units of triple gold swan knights can defeat the balrogs..... it is fair....

Or just 4 units of half troll men with no chevrons

[Russian Gondor]

Troll men are that OP now?

[Point Blank]

Moria starts as Huge City in RR/RC. No need to build Mithril Mines, Balrog has been there since First Age and Dwarves already disturbed him with their mining. He becomes available about turn 80.

[Baron Samedi]

Moria starts as Huge City in RR/RC. No need to build Mithril Mines, Balrog has been there since First Age and Dwarves already disturbed him with their mining. He becomes available about turn 80.

If it is that difficult to build a citadel and therefore mithril mines, you can also manually change the balrog arrival script in vanilla TATW to ease the requirements for this event.

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No need to to play and install a whole submod; sorry PB

[BTworld]

My population in Moria has reach over the 12000 and it won't increase anymore and I have built everything that was in the construction queue, still no sign of Balrog an I'm close to the 200 turns no Citadel in the construction and no Balrog in the recruit queue. Am I missing something? Or we can't recruit Balrog period?

[Baron Samedi]

My population in Moria has reach over the 12000 and it won't increase anymore and I have built everything that was in the construction queue, still no sign of Balrog an I'm close to the 200 turns no Citadel in the construction and no Balrog in the recruit queue. Am I missing something? Or we can't recruit Balrog period?

Here you see the script that leads to the balrog in your campaign:

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;########################## Balrog Arrival ############################
;----------------------------- AI ------------------------------
monitor_event ButtonPressed ButtonPressed siege_maintain_button
and I_SettlementUnderSiege Misty-Mountains
and I_SettlementOwner Misty-Mountains = hre
and I_CompareCounter Misty-Mountains_Siege < 1
and I_CompareCounter Misty-Mountains_Local = 0
create_unit Misty-Mountains, Balrog2, num 1, exp 0, arm 0, wep 0
historic_event balrog_ai event/balrog.bik
terminate_monitor
end_monitor
;--------------------------- Player ----------------------------
monitor_event BuildingCompleted SettlementName Misty-Mountains
and SettlementBuildingFinished = m_mines
and not IsFactionAIControlled
and I_TurnNumber >= 80
historic_event balrog event/balrog.bik
spawn_army
faction hre
character Balrog, named character, age 42, x 182, y 216, portrait Balrog
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , Balrog 1 , Slow 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , NightBattleCapable 1
unit Balrog exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
end
move_strat_camera 183, 215
terminate_monitor
end_monitor

So as to be more precise, we have two triggers to lead to the spawning of the balrog.
1) For the A.I.; when Moria is besieged, no matter what turn you are in the campaign.
2) As a human player; when you build mithril mines and if the turnnumber is 80 or above. Futher you see more details about the balrog in the spoiler (age, speed, traits, etc.).

If all requirements are met you get this message:

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For A.I.: ''An attack on the gate of Moria has resurrected the last host of Balrogs in Middle-earth!. The piercing screams of battle drew the Balrogs out of their hides to rescue their former allies and creatures of Melkor.''
For human player: ''Extensive mining in the pits of Moria has resurrected the last host of Balrogs in Middle-earth! Now the Balrogs were drewn out of their hides to support their former allies and creatures of Melkor.''

[rkonopin]

It is probably obvious for everybody here... You cannot build mithril mines if you play other faction than Dwarves or OOMM (descr_strat.txt)

[Ngugi]

Welcome to TWC rkonopin,

however yes, it is obvious, and apperently all else concur because this thread has been dead and buried for over 5 years. Such necromancing is not encouraged


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