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    Obama outlines $117bn bank levy
    President Barack Obama has said Wall Street must repay $117bn (£72bn) to taxpayers and criticised banks for "massive profits and obscene bonuses".

    The tax is to recoup money US taxpayers are expected to lose from bailing out the banks during the financial crisis.

    "My commitment is to recover every single dime the American people are owed," the president said.

    The move follows populist anger at banks, seen as being responsible for causing the recent economic crisis.

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    "My determination to achieve this goal is only heightened when I see reports of massive profits and obscene bonuses at the very firms who owe their continued existence to the American people," the president said.

    He said the aim was not to punish Wall Street firms but to stop abuses and excesses from happening again.

    “ It's one more thing dragging on the sector, but it's spread over 10 years, so it's not so consequential. It's petty theft from bank balance sheets ”
    Robert Albertson, chief strategist at Sandler O'Neill
    The BBC's Michelle Fleury said the president had made clear "in strong language" that the banks must repay the taxpayer, through what is being dubbed a "financial crisis responsibility fee".

    "It may go some way to quelling the anger of the average American," our correspondent said.

    The tax would apply only to financial firms with assets of more than $50bn.

    There are reckoned to be about 50 of these institutions - although many did not accept any taxpayer assistance and many others have already paid back what the government lent to them.

    BBC Business editor Robert Peston said that the cost may be passed on to the banks' customers.

    "The cost of borrowing might go up for companies who borrow from these banks," he said.

    He said there might also potentially be a "one-off" squeeze on the US economy.

    'Drag on sector'

    In the US, analysts said the fact that the fees levied on banks would be spread out over a decade would diminish their impact.

    "It throws some sand into the gears," said Robert Albertson, chief strategist at Sandler O'Neill in New York.

    "It's one more thing dragging on the sector, but it's spread over 10 years, so it's not so consequential. It's petty theft from bank balance sheets."

    White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers said the proposed fee was structured to give financial firms incentives to avoid excessive leverage.

    The levy comes ahead of the latest reporting season on Wall Street, with banks expected to report record bonuses.

    The tax will claw back some of the losses from a $700bn taxpayer bail-out of American banks known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp).

    It was drawn up in the midst of the financial crisis in 2008, following the collapse of US investment bank Lehman Brothers and multi-billion dollar rescue of insurance giant American International Group (AIG).

    It helped stem the crisis by injecting public capital into the biggest US banks and restoring confidence in the banking system.


    I think this is a first in a line of revenue generating devices that Obama will have to roll out in the next year or two to deal with the deficit. This is the first simply because it is very politically popular.

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    It makes perfect sense to me for this banks to have to pay back the money the Gov. loaned them. Isn't that the whole point of a loan? However, if I was a US consumer, I'd be worried that the banks & firms in question will raise fees & charges in order to pay back the money; instead of taking a hit out of their profit. Does this plan include any regulation to prevent this from happening?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg View Post
    It makes perfect sense to me for this banks to have to pay back the money the Gov. loaned them. Isn't that the whole point of a loan? However, if I was a US consumer, I'd be worried that the banks & firms in question will raise fees & charges in order to pay back the money; instead of taking a hit out of their profit. Does this plan include any regulation to prevent this from happening?
    It's stated to be over the span of 10 years IIRC as to reduce that incentive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zoidberg View Post
    It makes perfect sense to me for this banks to have to pay back the money the Gov. loaned them. Isn't that the whole point of a loan? However, if I was a US consumer, I'd be worried that the banks & firms in question will raise fees & charges in order to pay back the money; instead of taking a hit out of their profit. Does this plan include any regulation to prevent this from happening?
    Many of the banks did pay back what they were loaned plus interest. Now we're taking money from otherwise healthy banks and using that to pay back what the crappy ones should have? I's bad enough that they forced this crap on many banks that were perfectly fine, now they do this? Nonsense.

    Sort of off topic: Although my favorite story so far about bank bailouts was Citi. When Citi wanted to pay back their portion of the bailouts and the government told them to hold on to it because it wouldn't make a profit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    Sort of off topic: Although my favorite story so far about bank bailouts was Citi. When Citi wanted to pay back their portion of the bailouts and the government told them to hold on to it because it wouldn't make a profit...
    Had to chuckle at that part.

    Just try to pay out your mortgage earlier than planned and you have to pay a penalty in order to do so.

    I get their reasoning but still when it comes down to it on the basic level, I am trying to pay back the money they lent to me earlier than planned and I have to pay a fee. If most of us lent money to someone, we would be be happy to get it back period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by priam11 View Post
    Just try to pay out your mortgage earlier than planned and you have to pay a penalty in order to do so.

    I get their reasoning but still when it comes down to it on the basic level, I am trying to pay back the money they lent to me earlier than planned and I have to pay a fee. If most of us lent money to someone, we would be be happy to get it back period.
    Seriously! Banks have been doing this to consumers for years, and now they moan when the gov does likewise to them.
    Giving tax breaks to the wealthy, is like giving free dessert coupons to the morbidly obese.

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    However, if I was a US consumer, I'd be worried that the banks & firms in question will raise fees & charges in order to pay back the money; instead of taking a hit out of their profit. Does this plan include any regulation to prevent this from happening?
    Only firms with $50+ Billion in assets will be charged, so increasing fee's would make them less competitive in the overall banking market, though the banking market isn't exactly perfectly competitive.

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    Guess the banks shouldn't make bad loans huh.

    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    Sort of off topic: Although my favorite story so far about bank bailouts was Citi. When Citi wanted to pay back their portion of the bailouts and the government told them to hold on to it because it wouldn't make a profit...
    Good! With how much my loan companies are making off me, WITHOUT me frakking up financially, I find it only fitting that the taxpayers a--ream them for the s--t they tried and failed to pull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Good! With how much my loan companies are making off me, WITHOUT me frakking up financially, I find it only fitting that the taxpayers a--ream them for the s--t they tried and failed to pull.
    Did you actually read his post? This would be on banks that didn't take a bailout as well, and that a bank that did screw up was told not to pay loan money back.

    Or did you just kinda skim it and decide its time to complain about 'banks'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Did you actually read his post? This would be on banks that didn't take a bailout as well, and that a bank that did screw up was told not to pay loan money back.

    Or did you just kinda skim it and decide its time to complain about 'banks'.
    I've been complaining about banks for a long time. At least a year now. I certainly have no problem with the richer banks in America shouldering a burden until this is all handled. Admittedly, that post was me ranting. Which, *shock*, I do on occasion. If you want me to actually argue about a certain detail, then give me a detail to argue about. I'm sure there are a few in this that I don't care for but I don't have time to do research right now. "The banks worth $50 Billion or more are getting taxed to help pay off the bailout" doesn't really bother me in a general sense. Especially since he's actually bothering to get the bailout money back. Get detailed or stop whining about my (as of now)generalized take on what's being done.
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    i have seen this in the news yesterday and i wish in germany we would also make an aproach to get some of the tax money back of those that demanded and needed it to survive and now are in a position where they make s of money again

    this is just fair

    banks just taking risks to make high benefit but not beeing able to pay for the risks they took and get the tax payer to compensate them is just wrong, necessary but wrong. the taxpayer doesnt get a share of the profit banks make if everything runs peachy.

    well unfortunately the banks had to be saved. now most are fine, paying billins of bonuses again and making huge profit. just fair to give something back to the tax payer as without the taxpayer they would not exist anymore.
    every country should handle it like this. no clue how his plan looks like in detail but in general this is a great approach.
    Last edited by Ahlerich; January 15, 2010 at 09:06 AM.

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    no clue how his plan looks like in detail but in general this is a great approach.
    So... let's say you are a very conservative bank like Northern Trust. You are careful with giving out loans, have large levels of liquidity, sunshine and lollipops. Suddenly the financial markets go to hell everyone around you is steeped in overvalued assets and yet you are ok. Your conservative business plan worked out. One day the phone rings or you hear a knock at the door, and it's a G Man. Forcing you to take loans that you quite clearly don't need or want to pay for. Yet you have no choice, take it or be auditted repeatedly until something, anything that some accountant way down the food chain might have slipped up during his early career days. So you take the money, you pay it back and be on your way until the G Man shows up again demanding you pay extra simply because the government made a bad inestment and didn't recoup it's money????? How on earth is that a good policy or idea?
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    A populist move at best, for now it's just stupid.

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    GET THE RICH!!!

    i just smell that in this move.
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    However, if I was a US consumer, I'd be worried that the banks & firms in question will raise fees & charges in order to pay back the money; instead of taking a hit out of their profit.
    HELLLL YES they are. Bank of America is one of them, I got the letter last month.
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    I doubt they raised your fee last month to prepare to pay this tax. It hasn't even gone through.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    I doubt they raised your fee last month to prepare to pay this tax. It hasn't even gone through.
    They didn't raise anything last month. They sent notice that such things were coming in the future. Regardless, the motivation is directly tied to the government's interaction with the banking industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    They didn't raise anything last month. They sent notice that such things were coming in the future. Regardless, the motivation is directly tied to the government's interaction with the banking industry.
    They sent out a notice that they were going to raise your fees last month or a notice letting you know what the government was going to do? If it's a notice of increasing fees then... they were going up regardless for whatever reason not having to do with this. Typically companies don't like raising fees and prices because it chases business away. Even for big bad bank of America.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    yeah, kick the banking industry in the balls!

    No sarcasm at all. Seriously. It's about time the government gave the banks a good kicking, even if it's for hilariously flimsy and ridiculous excuses (I loaned some money to your brother a few days ago. He paid me back. Now I'm going to kick your ass).

    The banking industry is growing a little too complacent, and that's not good, because now is the time to get the industry back on track and the employment rates up, especially after the collapse of Detroit. slapping the banks on the basis of profit will hopefully force them to lower their profit margin predictions and open up more favorable options for lease and lending in the industrial sector.

    TL: DR - the banks are retarding industrial recup. Kick'em in the balls.

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    Oh wow, thats it ? we finally realised the bank industry can do what they want with taxpayer money, and when they get found out all we do is tax them 2.5% are you kidding me ? when are we going to get repayed ? What are we getting out of bailing out these fools ? and now they are even raising there fees on us, its a fricking joke, anyway they will always know they can gamble or do whatever they want in the future now because they are covered by the american taxpayer, this tax is chump change.

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