offense nobles of AI?

**aiueo** · January 14, 2010, 06:41 PM

hello DLVs...i am wondering if AI faction king has such traits like "offense nobles" so that their land will be splitted. My 2nd question is if I occupied their original capital, AI king should now always bear offense nobles trait...then they will never develope in large...

I hate Milan Faction and I fear their hordes. So I drive him away from Italy to Arabic...to fight against egypt. But if above assumption is true, it should never grow up....

**Taiji** · January 15, 2010, 02:23 AM

Only the player is subject to it. The AI wouldn't be able to cope.

**Kjertesvein** · January 15, 2010, 02:30 PM

I have seen AI factions with the 'Offend nobilty' & the 'Inspire to Civil War' -trait before, infact on more then one occation. Tho I doubt the AI would allow a Civil war, their generals and Kings do get weaker, however, not as weak as you might get.

Milan is a pretty small faction, ergo it would do just fine. If you want to give them a spin, then plant them on Florida and fund a war against the Native americans and their gold reserve. You can demand military access and trade rights, which in the end increase your income of your own overseas Americas Merchants.

I also very much belive the AI can capture other crowns of the same religion, just like you can -- so planting them in Oslo/Aarhus or any other similar crowning settlement, before crushing their pre settlements, might give them a new (nordic) crown and permanent colony.

Regards,

~Wille

**LaMuerte** · January 19, 2010, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Sivilombudsmannen

I have seen AI factions with the 'Offend nobilty' & the 'Inspire to Civil War' -trait before, infact on more then one occation. ~Wille

Seen this a few times as well. I've seen large AI empires crumble because of rebellions , though I can't tell if it's just bad luck , or has anything to do with the 'offense nobles' trait. But if Taiji says AI is ummune to these effects , I'm inclined to believe him.

So , the AI might be immune to these negative traits , it ain't immune to rebellions...

**aiueo** · January 18, 2010, 10:32 PM

thanks both for replies...

**Taiji** · January 19, 2010, 11:36 AM

If it isn't immune to the negative effects of these traits, or the traits themselves, then I think someone has made a big mistake.

**Furin** · January 20, 2010, 04:14 PM

I can confirm that the AI generals get all the "offensive" traits, including "you are not my king" once their capital is taken.

Looking into the traits file the triggers for Offensive_To_Nobles seem to switch between "and not FactionIsLocal" and "and FactionIsLocal" with different outcome so the AI getting the Offensive_To_Nobles traits (with a low propability) and their sub effects is at least somewhat intentional if I read this correctly.

**Taiji** · January 20, 2010, 04:29 PM

Interesting info, Furin. Well, it would be amazing if it was part of a greater script that handed over all of a faction's assets upon capture of the capital... but otherwise I think the AI will be badly affected just when it really needs to give the player some challenge. It feels right to be attacked viciously by the AI after taking their capital... perhaps my vision is colored about that though, I do like being attacked

**Furin** · January 23, 2010, 02:38 PM

The code fore viciously attacking a capital is already there, big rebel stacks attack your different captured capitals during civil war. So to make a faction try to take back their capital all I'd have to do is take that code and merge it with a settlement taken thingy and add a counter so it does not happen every time.

I'll check it out once I finished my fixes post, shouldn't be too hard.