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    One of downsides to the war in Iraq was that it removed United States Marines from the Afghan theatre. Last fall the Marine Corps made a return to that theatre behind the 22nd MEU (if memory serves me) and Second Battalion, Seventh Marines Regiment. People were talking about it here when it happened. I stated then that bringing the Marines back to Afghanistan was going to pay serious dividends. It's still too early to tell, but just over a year later as Marines have continued to surge into the country, particularly Helmand province, much of the province's towns and cities have been re-taken.

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    2-star: Taliban driven from Helmand towns




    By Jim Michaels - USA Today
    Posted : Thursday Jan 14, 2010 7:56:28 EST
    CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. — U.S. forces have driven the Taliban from most towns and villages in the strategic Helmand province of Afghanistan, leaving incoming troops with the mission of holding key areas and rebuilding the economy, Marine commanders say.
    “They’ve taken on the Taliban, the insurgency, right in the heartland and they’ve defeated them,” Maj. Gen. Richard Mills, who was tapped to lead the surge of Marine forces into Afghanistan in the coming months, told USA Today.
    Commanders warn that Taliban forces remain dangerous and could mount a resurgence. Six coalition troops were killed in attacks around the country Monday. Still, the developments in Helmand could have broad implications for the war because of the province’s importance to the Taliban.
    Much of the Taliban’s leadership and support comes from the mostly Pashtun province and nearby Kandahar. Helmand, the country’s largest province, also produces most of the country’s poppy crop, which has helped fund the insurgency.
    Recent attention has been focused on President Obama’s orders to send about 30,000 reinforcements to Afghanistan this year. But an influx of Marines to Helmand province last year has produced dramatic results, raising hopes that the gains can be consolidated and spread elsewhere, Mills said.
    “I see us moving away from the clear phase and moving into the hold and build” phase, Mills said.
    Commanders say violence could increase if militants shift tactics to more large-scale attacks, such as car and truck bombs. “It’s the dramatic strike that I worry about,” Mills said.
    The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, has also expressed confidence in recent developments. “We’ve been at this for about seven months now and I believe we’ve made progress,” McChrystal told ABC’s World News.
    The 9,000 Marines arriving this year will nearly double the number of coalition troops in Helmand province. Mills will take command of I Marine Expeditionary Force Forward this spring when he moves his headquarters there from Camp Pendleton.
    Marines now control most of the major towns and villages in Helmand and are pushing the Taliban into remote areas, where it will be hard for them to thrive or influence the population.
    “We’re not taking a break during the winter season,” said Brig. Gen. Joseph Osterman, who will lead I MEF Forward’s ground combat troops.
    Marine forces in Afghanistan are expecting to launch a major offensive to seize Marjah, the Taliban’s remaining stronghold in Helmand.


    Obviously it's still early in this new direction since the Marines were brought back into the fold. But this is an important part of winning the war; protecting the population is a principal concern when it comes to defeating the Taliban. With more Marines coming I am looking forward to seeing the developments.

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    they shouldn't have left in the first place! good to see this!
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    Agreed. But America sends Marines where the fighting is and Afghanistan was quiet when Iraq heated up so there you have it. Now they're pulling Marines out of Iraq and sending them back to crush some Taliban nutsack.

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    Amazing how out of a group as large as ISAF, 4,000 Marines in the hottest spot can cause such a stir. Oo-rah
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    Read to fight, ready to kill, ready to die but never will! Semper Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Amazing how out of a group as large as ISAF, 4,000 Marines in the hottest spot can cause such a stir. Oo-rah
    Because Marine commanders are the only commanders that don't care how uncomfortable their people are .

    But seriously there is a very different manner in which the Marine Corps operates compared to many other services/branches/countries. If you look at Iraq you see that the Marine Corps was operating in tiny forward operating bases all over the country. Anywhere there was people there were Marines if we could manage it. Even if that meant one stressed out, taxed company. Such close integration is needed to be successful. Army units tended to patrol from larger bases, often set outside the city centers. This isn't the rule, but it was very common. It wasn't until 07 when Petraeus pushed for the surge that Army doctrine started to shift closer to the Marines style of living in little ratholes out in the towns and cities. It pays.

    When 2/7 went to A-stan last fall they went to some places where there hadn't been any coallition presence in years. For instance, Golf Company, who was dropped into Farah province alone. They stirred up a hornets nest there as Taliban had been using it to attack Helmand. Nobody was there really, then Golf dropped in and immediately got into the fight.

    Everyone build FOBs from practically nothing and they went old school sleeping in the dirt/cots, water bottle showers, power from a single generator, sleeping under the stars, airlifting supplies etc. Seven months straight with just once a month runs back to Bastion for a day of good chow and internet then back to the . If you want to be successful you have to have an expeditionary mindset. Many of these modern western militaries are getting way too comfortable on big bases chilling in the a/c, playing xbox, eating in chow halls, getting hot showers and actual toilets to sit on. They forget the nature of their job, which by definition is hardship.

    It's true of Marines too, just not so much the infantry. Sometimes I get so mad hearing stories from fellow Marines I now work with (now that I'm out of the infantry). Talking about how chill Iraq was but that they hated it, even though they played Guitar Hero all deployment. My experience was quite different . In any event if we want to be successful it is this example we must follow, can all of the cupcake bs and get back to the basics. Hard, dirty, and visceral.

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    But seriously there is a very different manner in which the Marine Corps operates compared to many other services/branches/countries.
    When the Air Force secures a building, they go home for the day.
    When the Navy secures a building, they swab the floors, lock the doors, and go home for the day.
    When the Army secures a building, they post a guard then go home for the day.
    When the Marines secure a building, they isolate likely avenues of approach, lay down suppression fire, and locate, close with, and destroy the enemy by fire and manuever, destroy the building, then go home for the day.
    "Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief and if believed it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

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    Good job Marines.
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    If you want to be successful you have to have an expeditionary mindset. Many of these modern western militaries are getting way too comfortable on big bases chilling in the a/c, playing xbox, eating in chow halls, getting hot showers and actual toilets to sit on. They forget the nature of their job, which by definition is hardship.
    I've been hearing that for almost seven years now. I always keep it in mind when one of my buddies who switched from Marine to Army officer brags about all the "cool " he gets.

    Who would have thought that living like the enemy does makes you better at fighting the enemy. *gasp*
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    Good now that the defeated demoralized remnants of al Qaeda in Iraq have gone back to Afghanistan the marines will follow them. Provided we can start putting pressure on the Yemeni and Somali fronts we just might inflict a fatal blow. Then we can get to work on Hezbollah and the other Iranian clients, then again the green movement in Iran might succeed in mitigating that problem in the meantime.

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    Since we are all praising the Marines, for anyone who is interested they should watch HBO's Generation Kill about the marines part in the invasion of Iraq. Good stuff.

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    The last major operation is going to be a hell of a thing. The Brits have conducted counter narcotics ops around Marja, but couldn't hold. They faced some serious resistance. Now we are going to take it, and it has the potential be as problematic as Fallujah.

    Everything after this should largely be mop-up.

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    Great video of US Marines and British FACs calling CAS (1000lbs JDAM) within 200m of their pos.


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    I heard that marines are so cool that when they step on a IED they bounce twice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eizo View Post
    I heard that marines are so cool that when they step on a IED they bounce twice...

    US, go home...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eizo View Post
    I heard that marines are so cool that when they step on a IED they bounce twice...

    US, go home...
    Where's your home? I think I'd like the Marines to make that their new home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauvin View Post
    Where's your home? I think I'd like the Marines to make that their new home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcorps
    When the Air Force secures a building, they go home for the day.
    When the Navy secures a building, they swab the floors, lock the doors, and go home for the day.
    When the Army secures a building, they post a guard then go home for the day.
    When the Marines secure a building, they isolate likely avenues of approach, lay down suppression fire, and locate, close with, and destroy the enemy by fire and manuever, destroy the building, then go home for the day.
    That made me tingle a little bit, down there.
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    Where's your home? I think I'd like the Marines to make that their new home.
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    So is it just US Marines making a difference? Isn't anyone else?
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    Marines that are fighting in a country that is landlocked - ever find it irony?? Where the heck is Army??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azog 150 View Post
    So is it just US Marines making a difference? Isn't anyone else?
    By the looks of things the Army holds ground and the Marines take it. Who do you think is going to see more visible results?

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