Why Did The West Invade Iraq?

[Central Asian Qaghan]

Frankly speaking there was no reason to invade Iraq. Did the Iraqi people ask for the invasion? I don't think so. Was he a dicatator? So are countless others around the world. Does the West invade each of them and free them? What was the real reason for the invasion? AQ wasn't in Iraq. Neither did Saddam support Terrorists in America. The most he did was to pay some Palestinian family who's sons/daughters to blow themselves up against Israel. Was this the reason? If you don't like or accept Israel you will be invaded?

There was no outcry from the Iraq people in the first place. Can I suggest China invade the US for the simple reason that its people might be oppressed? Or Russia Invade Europe because the People are oppressed?

[s.rwitt]

To kill all the Muslims.

[Phier]

To kill all the Muslims.

[Giuliano Taverna]

I don't know, I do know that I supported it because Saddam was a genocidal madman who tortured and killed his people everyday while his sons raped and tortured then killed and I think sometimes ate the good looking young girls in Iraq everyday and I tend to find that worthy of some level of criticism.

[Central Asian Qaghan]

I don't know, I do know that I supported it because Saddam was a genocidal madman who tortured and killed his people everyday while his sons raped and tortured then killed and I think sometimes ate the good looking young girls in Iraq everyday and I tend to find that worthy of some level of criticism.

So When does the US invade Burma? Or Zimbabwae? Or Sudan? Or Libya? Or Cuba?

[xcorps]

So When does the US invade Burma? Or Zimbabwae? Or Sudan? Or Libya? Or Cuba?

We're too busy fighting off the martians right now. Just wait your friggin turn. Then we're coming for you.

[Giuliano Taverna]

So When does the US invade Burma? Or Zimbabwae? Or Sudan? Or Libya? Or Cuba?

I think I answered this in another thread where you asked me a similar question, but in short because the moonbats over at moveon.org and the wingnuts at LewRockwell.com would go insane if we tried to do anything more than we are already doing, which is admirable enough. If I had it my way, not terrorist, tyrant, fascist, or theocrat on earth would be safe.

In america we have a very extensive diverse anti war movement mostly made up of fascists and communists who have yet to figure out changing their names to libertarian/conservative and liberal/progressive doesn't effect the disdain most people have for what they say and try to accomplish. However sadly these movements have enough influence to limit who we can take out and when. Usually by pandering to racist xenophobes with America first rhetoric.

[Simon Cashmere]

So When does the US invade Burma? Or Zimbabwae? Or Sudan? Or Libya? Or Cuba?

They had a go at Cuba. Didn't work out so well.

The reasons for the invasion of Iraq were many and varied. The main reason was Saddam was a pain in the ass, and after 9/11, the US government decided it couldn't leave rogue enemies about. Also, Saddam was sitting on 8% of the world's oil. The US doesnt want to steal oil, it is happy to buy it - but to do that - it needs them in friendly hands. With Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Iraq all notionally friendly to the US - that's a fair bit of the world's oil - what 27% or thereabouts? With Canada, and the US reserves, thats, what, 40% of the world's oil? Enough to protect the US strategically for the next few hundred years.

The third reason which was not obvious to me at the time, was to create a honey trap for the jihadis. The seeming mismanagement of the post-war period seems to have been deliberate in order to have a huge fight with as many of the 'enemy' as possible. So they would stream into Iraq like moths to a flame, and the US could kill as many of them as possible.

The fourth reason was that Saddam towards the end of his days, had been making noises about denominating oil sales in Euros, and convincing others to do the same. That would spell the end of the US in many, many ways. The US compels OPEC to sell in USDs, so that it gets its oil for free (the printing press) and the rest of the world has to give it hard currency to buy their oil. OPEC gets USDs, and the best place to invest USDs, is the USA. Denominate oil sales in Euro, and oops, suddenly, trillions of dollars disappears out of the US forever, and the US has to use hard currency instead of the printing press to buy its own oil. That would be the end of the US, at least as we know it.

Those were the reasons, I think. WMD had nothing at all to do with it.

[Armija]

They had a go at Cuba. Didn't work out so well.

The reasons for the invasion of Iraq were many and varied. The main reason was Saddam was a pain in the ass, and after 9/11, the US government decided it couldn't leave rogue enemies about. Also, Saddam was sitting on 8% of the world's oil. The US doesnt want to steal oil, it is happy to buy it - but to do that - it needs them in friendly hands. With Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Iraq all notionally friendly to the US - that's a fair bit of the world's oil - what 27% or thereabouts? With Canada, and the US reserves, thats, what, 40% of the world's oil? Enough to protect the US strategically for the next few hundred years.

The third reason which was not obvious to me at the time, was to create a honey trap for the jihadis. The seeming mismanagement of the post-war period seems to have been deliberate in order to have a huge fight with as many of the 'enemy' as possible. So they would stream into Iraq like moths to a flame, and the US could kill as many of them as possible.

The fourth reason was that Saddam towards the end of his days, had been making noises about denominating oil sales in Euros, and convincing others to do the same. That would spell the end of the US in many, many ways. The US compels OPEC to sell in USDs, so that it gets its oil for free (the printing press) and the rest of the world has to give it hard currency to buy their oil. OPEC gets USDs, and the best place to invest USDs, is the USA. Denominate oil sales in Euro, and oops, suddenly, trillions of dollars disappears out of the US forever, and the US has to use hard currency instead of the printing press to buy its own oil. That would be the end of the US, at least as we know it.

Those were the reasons, I think. WMD had nothing at all to do with it.

Exactly + some other private interests of peaople high in USA administration or close to them.. and that is exact description of "Imperialistic" behaviour.

[Armija]

I don't know, I do know that I supported it because Saddam was a genocidal madman who tortured and killed his people everyday while his sons raped and tortured then killed and I think sometimes ate the good looking young girls in Iraq everyday and I tend to find that worthy of some level of criticism.

Can you put one single proof of that??

That is just ridiculous

[Space Wolves]

Can you put one single proof of that??

That is just ridiculous

Proof? You need proof for that. Read up my son, open your eyes, he and his sons were not godly angels from the heavens who blessed all those in sight, and everyone lived a happy life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_r...ssein%27s_Iraq

And then go click the external links for more info thanks

[Armija]

Proof? You need proof for that. Read up my son, open your eyes, he and his sons were not godly angels from the heavens who blessed all those in sight, and everyone lived a happy life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_r...ssein%27s_Iraq

And then go click the external links for more info thanks

wikipedia is writen by anonymus peaople so it cant be used as any proof and anyway even if all that is true that is not reason to attack country according to any international law

So you choosed that sadam is bad beacose he killed few thousand peaople and you decided to make action by bombing those same peaople whom you "protect" kill dhundreds of thousands of them, initiate sectarian violence (which wasnt there beafore american intervention) which kills hundreds of thousands more,Invite Alqaida which kills even more of them, utterly destroy a country, displace and destroy life of milions, free several thousands of "political" prisioners eprision 10 thimes more, torchure them and then say here you are we made you "free"
not to mentioning zillions of american taxpayers dolars.

And all of that just beacose bush "likes freedom" yeah right!!
man you need to read and realy realy much that is my advice to you

[Space Wolves]

So you choosed that sadam is bad beacose he killed few thousand peaople

A few thousand? Thats very nice of you to just say a few thousand.

and you decided to make action by bombing those same peaople whom you "protect" kill dhundreds of thousands of them,

Collateral damage and we tried to limit the people being killed, warfare is a total pain, and we never did it purposely, if we wanted to, we would have leveled iraq, but we didn't so fail. We are protecting them by not leveling entire cities, cause we are trying to kill the enemy, nothing more, NOTHING LESS.

initiate sectarian violence (which wasnt there beafore american intervention) which kills hundreds of thousands more

Well, its either that or let Saddam kill off and torture people through his entire reign which would add the body count considerably, and no one dared to fight him, so go figure. Thousands died under his rule, and many more if no one stepped in.

Invite Alqaida which kills even more of them,

Thats a bad part, but hey we have a common enemy, Al-Qaeda

utterly destroy a country, displace and destroy life of milions,

he was willing to go to war with iran go figure.

free several thousands of "political" prisioners

People who opposed Saddeum you mean, how is that bad again.

eprision 10 thimes more, torchure them and then say here you are we made you "free"
not to mentioning zillions of american taxpayers dolars.

I don't get that last part but, were not doing the whole sale torture and kill, and then rape thing cause we wanted to, again the tortured were all guys who had guns and tried to kill us, and the civilians. Tell your own people to stop throwing up roadside bombs and blowing up your own people first, then maybe the whole jailing thing would stop

And all of that just beacose bush "likes freedom" yeah right!!
man you need to read and realy realy much that is my advice to you

My advice to you, you need to read and improve your grammar as well.


The whole war was a farce, i don't support it, i support the troops, it was a mistake to invade iraq, but whats done is done, and iraqis dont have to worry about being kidnapped en'masse everyday and subjagated to rape, torture and death under a guy whose been doing it cause he can.

[Giuliano Taverna]

Can you put one single proof of that??

That is just ridiculous

I shouldn't have to, but since you people don't know anything about the war and oppose it for the sake of opposing it, I'll educate you.

Saddams rape loving sons

Saddam's secret police

Genocide

And for good measure a list of his war crimes

Now tell me there wasn't any gas chamber like a good little Holocaust denier, the facts speak for themselves.

[Armija]

I shouldn't have to, but since you people don't know anything about the war and oppose it for the sake of opposing it, I'll educate you.

Saddams rape loving sons

Saddam's secret police

Genocide

And for good measure a list of his war crimes

Now tell me there wasn't any gas chamber like a good little Holocaust denier, the facts speak for themselves.

I know mutch mutch mutch more about war then you or any of your felow americans will ever know. I was through one and wery brutal one I was wounded when i was 11 years old I am from Sarajevo, Bosnia
and i was there when it was hardest please dont preach me about war, i would like for you and every one of you who support war jus to live it one week as civilian, only one week, i dont want you dead i dont want you wounded i just want you to feel how it is like and i am shure that after that no war in the world would get more than 10% support

[Gromovnik]

I know mutch mutch mutch more about war then you or any of your felow americans will ever know. I was through one and wery brutal one I was wounded when i was 11 years old I am from Sarajevo, Bosnia
and i was there when it was hardest please dont preach me about war, i would like for you and every one of you who support war jus to live it one week as civilian, only one week, i dont want you dead i dont want you wounded i just want you to feel how it is like and i am shure that after that no war in the world would get more than 10% support

yeah right...

[Giuliano Taverna]

I know mutch mutch mutch more about war then you or any of your felow americans will ever know. I was through one and wery brutal one I was wounded when i was 11 years old I am from Sarajevo, Bosnia
and i was there when it was hardest please dont preach me about war, i would like for you and every one of you who support war jus to live it one week as civilian, only one week, i dont want you dead i dont want you wounded i just want you to feel how it is like and i am shure that after that no war in the world would get more than 10% support

If you're from Bosnia you should be supporting US intervention, if not for that you would have been killed during the Serbian incident.

[Mr. Scott]

Can you put one single proof of that??

That is just ridiculous

You do know that Saddam's son, the crown prince, nearly lost his title because he had killed a high up iraqi official when they were having a party and it was too loud. He raped girls constantly and was almost disowned.

Saddam launched missiles with mustard gas at the kurds killing hundreds of thousands.

[Space Wolves]

You do know that Saddam's son, the crown prince, nearly lost his title because he had killed a high up iraqi official when they were having a party and it was too loud. He raped girls constantly and was almost disowned.

Saddam launched missiles with mustard gas at the kurds killing hundreds of thousands.

And he will deny it if he ever responds to mine or your responses

[xcorps]

There was no outcry from the Iraq people in the first place. Can I suggest China invade the US for the simple reason that its people might be oppressed? Or Russia Invade Europe because the People are oppressed?