Reforging the Persian Empire - Hayasdan or Parthia

[TW-fanboy]

I decided to restore Persian power within the east - which faction should I take - Parthia or Armenia?

[sirfiggin]

I'm using Pontus (technically persian) as they actually have a slightly better starting position; it's 238 and I'm already invading Egypt proper.

[Hound of Ulster]

Parthia. Thier cavalry units are better, especially the Asavaran e Dehbad and the generals

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

If I wanted to recreate Persia, I would choose Parthia. However, the Hayasdan reforms are designed so that you can recreate the Persian Empire using them.

[Hax]

Psh, don't listen to the fools 'ere. Armenia, all the way. Their army roster resembles a possible revival of the Persian Empire better. It isn't as cavalry-heavy obsessed as Pahlava, and Pontos is way too philhellenic.

[TW-fanboy]

Psh, don't listen to the fools 'ere. Armenia, all the way. Their army roster resembles a possible revival of the Persian Empire better. It isn't as cavalry-heavy obsessed as Pahlava, and Pontos is way too philhellenic.

Yeah pontos is to hellenized fo me aswell and I'm not a cavalry fan. So I will take Hayasdan.

[Satapatiš]

I did it with Pahlava, simply designating as faction heirs->leaders only characters with Persian trait.
It was really "early-almost-Sassanid" empire.
Later i moved capital to Persepolis.

Also i fielded armies build with core of cardaces, persian archers, and parthian cavalry.

But with any iranian faction, you should start from real Persis freed from hellenic occupation.
After that, finish Seleucids, go for Ptolemaioi, and finally...
Kill all Macedonians.

[CavalierJZ]

Is Hayasdan the only faction that can Unlock the "Persian Reform" in the FAQ? I was thinking about using Pahlava but they can't build Type 3 governments.

[Horse Archer]

Ethnically and historically and likely militarily, Hayasdan was more linked with the old Persian Empire, but Pahlava has more of a "wannabe factor". They actively try to restore the glory of Parsa, and accept Zoroastrianism as a state religion (unlike the Hay, who incorporate it into their own religion). I'm not really bothered by the different troop types from the Persians of Kurush (Cyrus), as you can look at it as a kind of reform. The only problem with Pahlavan nomads is that it's quite hard to establish more "civilized-type" governments, while Hayasdan acts as an Eastern civilized faction, albeit after some reforms.

They're both fun and awesome factions (as all are in EB).

[Faramir D'Andunie]

The campaign with both is a blast, even if Parthia gets too easy if you don't restrain yourself from spamming horse archer armies and don't mind the rocky start of Hayasdan.

Personally I am a fan of changing history in such games, so Hayasdan gets my vote.

[bobbin]

Pahlava are probably the easiest choice but the Hayasdan represent the strongest link to the Achaemenids.

[armen]

Ethnically and historically and likely militarily, Hayasdan was more linked with the old Persian Empire, but Pahlava has more of a "wannabe factor". They actively try to restore the glory of Parsa, and accept Zoroastrianism as a state religion (unlike the Hay, who incorporate it into their own religion). I'm not really bothered by the different troop types from the Persians of Kurush (Cyrus), as you can look at it as a kind of reform. The only problem with Pahlavan nomads is that it's quite hard to establish more "civilized-type" governments, while Hayasdan acts as an Eastern civilized faction, albeit after some reforms.

They're both fun and awesome factions (as all are in EB).

uhhh???? No Armenians arent Persians. Armenians are a seperate ethnicity with in the Indo-European family group. Armenians have their own culture, with their own language and their own alphabet. If u want a faction which is ethnically close to the Persians u must picked the Pahlava because their both IRANIAN.

[Imperial Eagle]

uhhh???? No Armenians arent Persians. Armenians are a seperate ethnicity with in the Indo-European family group. Armenians have their own culture, with their own language and their own alphabet. If u want a faction which is ethnically close to the Persians u must picked the Pahlava because their both IRANIAN.

I think he may have been referring to the Yervanduni's blood relations with the Achaemenids.

[Goatus Boyus]

So if you unlock The first reform with Haysdan, you get more troops unlocked, what happens if you then make the persian reform happen with them?,has anyone done it?

[athanaric]

So if you unlock The first reform with Haysdan, you get more troops unlocked, what happens if you then make the persian reform happen with them?,has anyone done it?

The Persian territories will become "Subjugation regions", enabling you to build a Type II government there.

[gaius valerius]

I think he may have been referring to the Yervanduni's blood relations with the Achaemenids.

Indeed, compared to that, the Pahlava were just some Steppe-folk from the northern edges of the old Achaemenid empire.

[Horse Archer]

I think he may have been referring to the Yervanduni's blood relations with the Achaemenids.

Sort of, I meant that Armenia and Parsa were more familiar with each other than either was with the Dahae, though they were Iranian, sorry for the misunderstanding.

[silenthunter09]

ok i looked this up i the net and i found out that the armenias are both iranian and persian

[armen]

ok i looked this up i the net and i found out that the armenias are both iranian and persian

I dont have to look up on the net. Im Armenian and Im telling you Armenians are not or ever have been Iranians or Persians. What kind of a bogus site are you looking up in? Armenians are as much Iranian, as the English are. Unlike many ancient empires and people who do not exist today. WHo have been assimilated Armenians do exist. So Im telling you nicely do not make bogus comments which are insulting to an entire ethnic group.

[Megas Methuselah]

I dont have to look up on the net. Im Armenian and Im telling you Armenians are not or ever have been Iranians or Persians. What kind of a bogus site are you looking up in? Armenians are as much Iranian, as the English are. Unlike many ancient empires and people who do not exist today. WHo have been assimilated Armenians do exist. So Im telling you nicely do not make bogus comments which are insulting to an entire ethnic group.

Nationalism. Very nice.

But hey, the Armenian royal family at the time (Yervanduni) had old Persian royal blood. So did the royal family of Pontus (I think; they were Persian, even if not from the Achaemenid royal family). The fact that the royal families of Armenia and Pontus were descended from the old Persian royal family gives them a more legitimate claim as heirs to the Persian Empire than those light-skinned Dahae nomads from the northern steppes.