Two answers: for Spain and bagpipes

Kieran Bridgen wrote that on the shogun total war forum:
http://tw-rehab.shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/
"Dear All,

Spain is not a playable faction in Napoleon. The speech on the clip is not official and is a slight mistake in reporting.

Therefore, please do not treat this as confirmation that Spain is playable. We've carefully chosen the playable nations for Napoleon's release, Spain is not amongst them.

Kind regards,
Kieran "

AND: to someone worrying about bagpipes...
"- You'll hear the pipers don't worry. Listening to their jaunty little tunes as the men march to the slaughter is grand. "


Thread title edited so it's no longer all caps. - Astaroth

Really bad
Why all factions aren't playable?

Originally Posted by Salvo

Really bad
Why all factions aren't playable?

They weren't in E:TW, though I almost am certain Spain, etc. will be added in.

Being Napoleon's greatest ally early in the Wars, I'm surprised they chose not to include Spain as a playable nation by default though.

is this good news or bad news?

It's both.

I would've preffered no pipes and Spain playable Hopefully modders would take care of making Spain playalbe and CA will take care of giving them units.

I like that they are implementing pipes from the start. This will be good

the bagpipes are good and yes maybe spain should have been playable but this means that other nations will have more unit diversity

Everyone loves bagpipes so that is good and since Spain was dominated by France at the time that the GC starts I don't mind that they aren't playable. I sympathize with the Spanish players but I don't think Spain would be very fun to play anyway in this period. I am sure it will be modded in soon after release.

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus

Everyone loves bagpipes so that is good and since Spain was dominated by France at the time that the GC starts I don't mind that they aren't playable. I sympathize with the Spanish players but I don't think Spain would be very fun to play anyway in this period. I am sure it will be modded in soon after release.

Here, the same reply as at Yuku for you.


Actually wasn´t that always the spirit of TW? To take a certain faction from an historical starting point and doing your thing from then on? Why would a hypothetically playable Spain behave differently? When you play Austria, do you plan loosing all wars with France till the last couple of years of the game? Thought so.

Why can people not comprehend that this game starts in 1805, that France took Spain from within in 1808. As a TW gamer you have three years worth of two weeks turns to change history, like in all TW games, from there on. Nothing in 1805 would make a stupid guerrilla in Spain unavoidable. Spain had 33 standing line regiments in 1805 and was certainly not worse than the loosers of Austerlitz or Jena.

Spain does not even get its historic flag for farks sake...Its so clear that CA does not give a toss about that part in Europe.

Originally Posted by Ebusitanus

Here, the same reply as at Yuku for you.


Actually wasn´t that always the spirit of TW? To take a certain faction from an historical starting point and doing your thing from then on? Why would a hypothetically playable Spain behave differently? When you play Austria, do you plan loosing all wars with France till the last couple of years of the game? Thought so.

I understand your point but I think NTW will be very different from previous TW games. A bit like Alexander I guess but I never played that. This will follow Napoleon's attempt to dominate Europe and will start at a time when France dominated Spain. All TW games try to start with the historical situation at the beginning but if Spain were to be free to immediately attack France or not cooperate with her, France would be in a very bad way. My main pont though was that I don't think Spain would be very fun to play for the same reasons that I wouldn't want to play Sweden.

Spain was nothing in that period

Originally Posted by klok

Spain was nothing in that period

I think you are going to be hung by all the spanish that are haunting this forum...
I just hope that we will see a peninsula war expansion, as DLC, with the spanish army, guerillas, portuguese and special spanish battlefield (spanish villages,sierras...)

Originally Posted by klok

Spain was nothing in that period

You're right, Spain definitely played a totally insignificant role in the Napoleonic wars....

Originally Posted by eldaran

You're right, Spain definitely played a totally insignificant role in the Napoleonic wars....

Historicaly speaking, it's far away from truth, between 1808 and 1814, Napoleon has been obliged to let in spain more than 200 000 men. A lot of them were killed and captured. In 1814 spanish troops, portuguese, British troops crossed Pyrenees and attacked the south of France. Besides, Spain was the first failure of Napoleon, it proved to other countries that beating the french was possible.

Originally Posted by eldaran

You're right, Spain definitely played a totally insignificant role in the Napoleonic wars....

I support that.

Actually, Spain would be a very unique and exciting experience, and with a big historical importance.

The French ruled Spain? Oh no, they just invaded Spain.
The Peninsular War was unimportant and boring? Of course, hundreds of thousands men died in Spain (well, that's a bit exaggerated, but anyway), in one of the 1st guerilla war at big scale, with an unique warfare, and exactly THIS war with Spain together with 1812 made Nappie fall.

So, Spain would be boring to play.

Originally Posted by eldaran

You're right, Spain definitely played a totally insignificant role in the Napoleonic wars....

Typical english commentary.. ever denigrating Spain...

Spain never surrended to Napoleon, even with Jose I "Ruling" if we can to say that xD, Spanish nobles, eclesiastics, governors etc... stablished the "JUNTA SUPREMA CENTRAL" a State inside the french satellite state with representation in all our provinces, that opossited and declared war to Napoleon for recover Fernando VII as Spanish king!

Spanish army (not a guerrilla) fought side by side with Anglo-portuguese forces...

WE were who caused to Napoleon his first defeat at Bailen in 1808!!!

Thanks to the spanish bravery all nations in Europe discovered that Napoleon wasn´t invincible...

Ohhh Yeahhhhhhhh

Spain is nobody if looked on traditional english speaking approach of the era. Certainly i feel it should been included as faction you can rule.

I am allready in mood for it:

Originally Posted by Vulpex

Spain is nobody if looked on traditional english speaking approach of the era.

Eh, what?

Originally Posted by klok

Spain was nothing in that period

you are ignorant.
Spain was the beginning of the end of Napoleon
Bailen and the first defeat of Napoleon's army