Give the other nations some love

One thing which distinctly annoyed me in regards to ETW was the balance of the unit rosters. It's been brought up before, but I didn't see a topic on this particular issue, so I decided to make one.

As we all know, the British apparently got most of the effort in the unit department, featuring more uniques than any other faction, with the French in a close second. After that it just goes downhill, with some fairly major and important factions getting pretty much zip (Russia, anybody?)

I understand CA wants to sell us DLC, but considering that most of the DLC units were for the British anyway, that doesn't exactly encourage me to buy DLC.

At first I was a bit hopeful in regards to NTW giving us a more diverse roster for the less important players in the Napoleonic Wars, factions like Prussia, Austria, Russia, you know, the non-British ones, but the screenshots released so far have somewhat dampened my hopes.

Of the screenshots available on the Sega NTW website, exactly ONE features a nation other than the UK or France, that being the one of Russian militia. The one unit preview is about a French unit. France and Great Britain got their faction previews first.

Not to sound too whiny, but the fact that this game looks like its going to be "France vs. Britain: Total War" doesn't really appeal to me.

you are right and reducing Napoleonic wars to the fight Britain vs France is not historical. Austria, Russia, Spain, Prussia took an important part. Do I need to record that, at Waterloo, at 18h00 PM Napoleon send a message to Paris saying : "we won the battle" . A few minutes later the first prussians appeared on the battlefield...

This is the same, what happened with Hitler, they deafeated him together like they did with Napoleon. Alone would have won them all!
But, what a difference it is, they are all cowards.

Exactly. It's a British but they must suck up to the fact that Britain's active role in the war was minor at best. Sure they won the last battle, but not without Prussia.
Funny Panzershreck how our posts are exactly the same thing.

Originally Posted by EmperorBatman999

Funny Panzershreck how our posts are exactly the same thing.

Posting at the same time, posting the same thing, We are twins???

I'm hoping the mod community will be allowed to step up in develop the lesser, unplayable factions for us like they did with Empires What worries me is that they make it sound like things will be split up into battle periods between factions at that time (similar to Road to Independence) rather than a Grand Campaign.

agreed,every nation needs about as much special units as the others and i'm not talking about statclones but about really different units

I know Napoleon is only GB, FR, Prussia, Russia, Austria and some minors (I might forget some majors). But if you have that less factions, every faction should have many unique units. I know line infantry is line infantry, but they could make them more like 'Bulkeleys Regiment', 33th Footh, ' Regiment du Deux Points' or something... I want to see this 'variation' without DLC and if they want to sell DLC, please sell even more 'special' troops like these...

If anything Britain played a minor part in the napoleonic wars with regard to land battles. Really only making a difference in Spain and very late war battles in france i.e. waterloo

Most of the rest of the major Epic battles included Prussia, Russia and Austria more than anyone else. No British to be seen at all

Portugal should be playable! It was one of the nations that defeted france in the Iberian Invasion! I think Portugal should be playable in this game! I don't know why don't they just put the other countrys playable! They can be with a mod! how bad can be to put them all playable?

Originally Posted by Swerg

One thing which distinctly annoyed me in regards to ETW was the balance of the unit rosters. It's been brought up before, but I didn't see a topic on this particular issue, so I decided to make one.

As we all know, the British apparently got most of the effort in the unit department, featuring more uniques than any other faction, with the French in a close second. After that it just goes downhill, with some fairly major and important factions getting pretty much zip (Russia, anybody?)

I understand CA wants to sell us DLC, but considering that most of the DLC units were for the British anyway, that doesn't exactly encourage me to buy DLC.

At first I was a bit hopeful in regards to NTW giving us a more diverse roster for the less important players in the Napoleonic Wars, factions like Prussia, Austria, Russia, you know, the non-British ones, but the screenshots released so far have somewhat dampened my hopes.

Of the screenshots available on the Sega NTW website, exactly ONE features a nation other than the UK or France, that being the one of Russian militia. The one unit preview is about a French unit. France and Great Britain got their faction previews first.

Not to sound too whiny, but the fact that this game looks like its going to be "France vs. Britain: Total War" doesn't really appeal to me.

Shame it is too. I'm an Anglophile myself, but I'll readily admit that Austria and Russia contributed the most towards overthrowing Nappy. Britain more or less just survived, and paid nations to fight France. It was the create coalition builder, but it did little of the actual fighting itself, apart from taking France's colonies and fighting the French at sea, and in Spain. They did significantly reduce French revenues, but mostly they just encouraged others to resist France by the example of their own defiant resistance. As it was the Peninsula was a side show, and Napoleon was decisively shattered in Russia and at Leipzig. His Imperial pretensions came to an end in Germany, not in Spain, and not on the sea. So this France and England focus is silly. It seems to just appeal to people who are ignorant of history and just see the Wars of Napoleon as a simple "France v. Britain" conflict.

Wow, I forgot about this topic.

Anyway, it's good to see that many people agree with me. Sadly, as I've said in other topics, it seems that CA doesn't particularly care. Spain isn't playable, the Swedes are wearing Russian shakos and we're not seeing much detail about any other factions.

I suppose I'll have to wait until the modders make a decent fix for NTW and buy it used. It should be cheap by that point.

Calm down. You're luckcy than us. Our faction is out of map. The fact is, even Napoleon know the sleeping lion in the east at that time. Why not CA?!

I agree, UK didn't fought too much in that time (though it's battles were decisive, yes), anyway. Austria, PRUSSIA and Russia deserve a big AOR

well of the 15 units included with imperial edition, there are 3 each +1 to France -1 to Britain form memory

thats encouraging

Yep it is!!

Is it again a selling point, maybe through sales in certain countries maybe being higher than others - without seeing numbers I don't know but it is just a thought!

If not included in vanilla - hopefully modders will fill the void.

In ETW the British unit roster started off exceptionally strong, but the statement that 'most of the DLCs were British units' is simply not true (apart from the elite units of America) . In fact I thought the British roster was eventually left looking pretty poor compared to others like the Prussians and Spanish (the French roster from CA has never been good - mod, mod, mod).

I wouldn't jump the gun on NTW being a repeat on the Anglo-Centric thing just yet, we've seen sweet bugger all of this game considering it's apparently going to be released next month, apparently.....

Well seen as Jack Lusted mentions not having enough time regarding the accuracy of some of the units, what would people prefer, more Factions with poor unit rosters, or less Factions with fairly decent unit rosters? Unless I am over simplifying it?

Originally Posted by Frost, colonel

Well seen as Jack Lusted mentions not having enough time regarding the accuracy of some of the units, what would people prefer, more Factions with poor unit rosters, or less Factions with fairly decent unit rosters? Unless I am over simplifying it?

We've already GOT less factions. Playable ones, anyway.