UK to ban Islam4UK.

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London, England (CNN) -- Britain is set to ban a Muslim group that recently caused outrage by proposing a demonstration in the town that receives the bodies of British war dead killed abroad, the Home Office said Sunday.

The ban would prevent Al-Muhajiroun, also known as Islam4UK, from having meetings or raising money. Attending a meeting or being a member of Al-Muhajiroun or Islam4UK would be a criminal offense, a Home Office spokesman said. The spokesman declined to be named, in line with government policy.
"Proscription is a tough but necessary power to tackle terrorism," said the Home Office, which is responsible for domestic security in the United Kingdom.

Two offshoots of Al-Muhajiroun, Al-Ghurabaa and Saviour Sect Group, were banned in July 2006.
The ban should come into force in a matter of "days, not weeks," the spokesman said. It would require approval from both houses of Parliament.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ban/index.html

Islam4UK is a disgusting organization with equally disgusting goals. However, banning them is going to do about as much as Germany banning Nazi's. It's unrealistic to believe that the group's members or those who would join such a group are going to suddenly drop their beliefs because their group is now banned. Choudry said exactly that. The only difference, besides the group's new name, is that they now get to play the victim/oppressed minority/'group-your-government-doesn't-want-you-to-hear' card when recruiting new members.

There seems to be a strange belief in the UK that you can fight (non-criminal) bigotry or extremism by silencing those who believe in it. That's simply not the case.

[Admiral Piett]

They shouldn't outright ban the group as much as they should simply prevent these kinds of protests to occur at a place of mourning. There's a time and place for everything. Wanna protest the war? Go do it in the cities outside your government. Don't go ing with the families of fallen and injured servicemen. ing crackheads.

[tonymurphy1888]

I hate these guy's they give Islam a bad name. bastards.

[The Fishman]

Islam4UK is distasteful and unpopular but not really dangerous. Hizb-ut-Tahir is actually a threat to society, but not that well-known to the public. Guess which one they've gone and banned?

[motiv-8]

Islam4UK is distasteful and unpopular but not really dangerous. Hizb-ut-Tahir is actually a threat to society, but not that well-known to the public. Guess which one they've gone and banned?

Guess how many Islam4UK members are going to end up on the rolls of Hizb-ut-Tahrir?

[The Fishman]

Guess how many Islam4UK members are going to end up on the rolls of Hizb-ut-Tahrir?

Yup, the British institutions fail when it comes to delicate issues like Islam or terrorism.

[Heinz Guderian]

Islam4UK is distasteful and unpopular but not really dangerous. Hizb-ut-Tahir is actually a threat to society, but not that well-known to the public. Guess which one they've gone and banned?

we tried to ban them. tried pretty hard after 7/7 but it was found they have nothing to do with violence or terrorist threats.

[Admiral Piett]

Whatever happened to political movements seeking to win hearts and minds rather than alienating their own populace?

[Phier]

Its foolish to ban them on many levels.

Banning them gives them more power than letting them speak their idiocy. I think more harm was done to the KKK in the US by letting them have their rallies than any laws could have.

[motiv-8]

Its foolish to ban them on many levels.

Banning them gives them more power than letting them speak their idiocy. I think more harm was done to the KKK in the US by letting them have their rallies than any laws could have.

Yes indeed, but what was more important I believe was a greater discourse through all levels of society about exactly what was wrong with the KKK, along with a legislative culture that destroyed any semblance of state sympathy or support for the actions they took and the ideas they espoused.

Im not a Briton but I don't easily see the same thing going on on Britain.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Banning it may prevent the group from increasing its members, at least quickly.
But it would also push the group underground and force it to go violent. But honestly, when the group argues the way it does and is almost identical to Nazism and hitlers rise what else are you suppose to do.
If Hindenberg was able to ban Nazism before it acquire enough seats in the Reichstag perhaps things could have been different but nevertheless what are the alternatives with Islam4UK.

[tonymurphy1888]

Banning it may prevent the group from increasing its members, at least quickly.
But it would also push the group underground and force it to go violent. But honestly, when the group argues the way it does and is almost identical to Nazism and hitlers rise what else are you suppose to do.
If Hindenberg was able to ban Nazism before it acquire enough seats in the Reichstag perhaps things could have been different but nevertheless what are the alternatives with Islam4UK.

I could think of some ....

[MathiasOfAthens]

Please do...Dont let me keep you.

[tonymurphy1888]

Please do...Dont let me keep you.

My solution requires a mobile phone 6 bottles of vodka and a AK-47 with 5000 rounds but the damn hippies... they ruin everything.

[Azog 150]

What the is wrong with us? What ever happened to freedom of speech?

[MathiasOfAthens]

My solution requires a mobile phone 6 bottles of vodka and a AK-47 with 5000 rounds but the damn hippies... they ruin everything.

Ok what is the phone for mate?

What the is wrong with us? What ever happened to freedom of speech?

Freedom to demonstrate against the country in the town where British war dead return to. Freedom to call those returning soldiers "murderous bastards". Freedom to upend a countries established religious and political traditions in order to create a Sharia and Islamic state where the muslim population is a minority and are immigrants. They already have mosque, minerets and freedom to worship, now they want the freedom to impose sharia law on non muslims?? Freedom to support Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

The London branch of the moderate Islamic group Minhaj-ul-Quran International welcomed the Home Office announcement Sunday.

Or this kind of freedom.

On 16 October 2009, members of the organization protested against the visit to Britain by Dutch MP Geert Wilders. They carried banners with slogans such as "Shariah is the solution, freedom go to hell" and "Geert Wilders deserves Islamic punishment".

They want the freedom to restrict your freedom. They don't give a about your freedom. They believe Islam is the only path and all others are infidels and should be righted.

They are extremist and distort moderate views of Islam by liberal Muslims.

[tonymurphy1888]

Ok what is the phone for mate?

To call the chopper ofcourse?

[Sisko]

These terrorist fostering should be dealt with, quietly but permanently.

[Adar]

Trying to ban ideas is both dangerous and futile. I support a ban regarding demonstrations in Wootton Bassett but freedom of speech is far more important than stopping these fools from showing their true colors under their chosen name.

They want the freedom to restrict your freedom. They don't give a about your freedom. They believe Islam is the only path and all others are infidels and should be righted.

They are extremist and distort moderate views of Islam by liberal Muslims.

Which makes it even more important that they are allowed to retain their name. Keeping track of them is far more easy if they are allowed to keep their name. Otherwise we face dangerous situations such as these nutcases returning under the name of "Muslims for peaceful dialogue" or even worse, "Leicster chapter of [really nice and moderate muslim group]" where they put up a more serious front to cover their nutcase ideas.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Freedom to demonstrate against the country in the town where British war dead return to. Freedom to call those returning soldiers "murderous bastards". Freedom to upend a countries established religious and political traditions in order to create a Sharia and Islamic state where the muslim population is a minority and are immigrants. They already have mosque, minerets and freedom to worship, now they want the freedom to impose sharia law on non muslims?? Freedom to support Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

That way regular people will be able to see what kind of s they are, therefore not enabling them to hide behind the 'martyr of the west' defense which usually draws more 'positive' attention.

This guys are s, in my opinion the government should let the unrestrained masses of people handled them, but the 'correct thing to do' would be letting them do their and at the same time avoiding clashes to maintain peace.

Freedom is not about behaving properly it's about doing whatever the you want, at the same time doing whatever the you want has consequences, the bigger the liberties the bigger the responsibilities.As long as they don't go around harassing people and bombing buildings they have a right to think and speak no matter how idiotic and dangerous their speech is.