Do human babies deserve to be killed by dogs?

[bushbush]

I am serious thinking there is something wrong with many people's moral compass these days.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...de/8386902.stm

This article lists a number of young children killed or seriously wounded by dogs, with apparent no provocation or evidence of prior mistreatment (seriously, a 3 and half month old baby is mistreating a dog? how?)

but this is the reaction by one person due these death.

Dogs are only hostile if they have been treated badly and/or have been bred for aggression by humans. We only get out what we put in.

So let me ask everyone. LET'S ASSUME these children indeed slapped the dogs around (which no evidence showed they did), do they deserve to be mauled to death? "we only get out what we put in". Is that how the world goes these days?

[Helm]

I never said anything about the children slapping the dogs but the owners of the dogs who were irresponsible.

[bushbush]

I never said anything about the children slapping the dogs but the owners of the dogs who were irresponsible.

So the kids deserve to die? It's not the dogs' fault? So it's "we only get out what we put in". You essentially are telling me getting your kids mauled to death is appropriate result for negligence in dog ownership?

[Helm]

They certainly didn't derserve to die but it's ultimately the owner of the dogs who are to blame for gross negligence, you don't leave a powerful and aggressive dog alone with a young child. You may as well leave them alone with a wolf or a bear.

[bushbush]

They certainly didn't derserve to die but it's ultimately the owner of the dogs who are to blame for gross negligence, you don't leave a powerful and aggressive dog alone with a young child. You may as well leave them alone with a wolf or a bear.

no you said ""we only get out what we put in". So owners leaving the dogs around should have their kids mauled to death? I am asking you, dogs have NOTHING to be criticized? It's always humans' fault that dogs acted like beasts and they are indeed irrational beasts that shouldn't be treated at the same level as humans?

[Helm]

Ok if you have a dog breed for aggression/hunting and you just it alone to do it's own thing with a bunch of children what do you expect is going to happen? You just don't do something like that, you keep such dogs muzzled and on a leash around young children and you establish your own authority and discipline over them, because they can be dangerous animals.

[bushbush]

Ok if you have a dog breed for aggression/hunting and you just it alone to do it's own thing with a bunch of children what do you expect is going to happen? You just don't do something like that, you keep such dogs muzzled and on a leash around young children and you establish your own authority and discipline over them, because they can be dangerous animals.

so then why do they deserve to be treated at the same level as humans then, as suggested by many people in the other thread? When they are capable of doing these days as a part of their INSTINCT. When they have no rationality or morality like humans. Why do people praise them as "heroes" "special friends"?

and answer me, why have you NOT once even condemned the dogs taht did this? it's always humans' fault isn't? So humans forgot to do this or that for a moment, their kids deserve to die? Where is your outrage of the killing?where is your sense of decency here?

[Helm]

so then why do they deserve to be treated at the same level as humans then, as suggested by many people in the other thread? When they are capable of doing these days as a part of their INSTINCT. When they have no rationality or morality like humans. Why do people praise them as "heroes" "special friends"?

Dogs are domesticated animals so the only instincts they really have are the instincts we breed into them and behaviours we selected for. Certainly some breeds of dog are breed for aggression and they're not the kind of animals you want to have hanging around with children that's irresponsible.

and answer me, why have you NOT once even condemned the dogs taht did this? it's always humans' fault isn't? So humans forgot to do this or that for a moment, their kids deserve to die? Where is your outrage of the killing?where is your sense of decency here?

My outrage is directed at the owners of the dog, they're the ones who ultimately have responsibility over the animal and what it is allowed to do. The dogs are automatically put to death anyway but that's because they're clearly very dangerous animals.

[bushbush]

Dogs are domesticated animals so the only instincts they really have are the instincts we breed into them and behaviours we selected for. Certainly some breeds of dog are breed for aggression and they're not the kind of animals you want to have hanging around with children that's irresponsible.

so humans who are negligent deserve to have their kids killed? I am asking you again, is there anything the dog did WRONG? If they do stuff like this out of instinct, should we still treat them as if they are equal to us.

My outrage is directed at the owners of the dog, they're the ones who ultimately have responsibility over the animal and what it is allowed to do. The dogs are automatically put to death anyway but that's because they're clearly very dangerous animals.

why? Negligence on DOGS should be punished with death of their children? is that how your moral compass works? What about the dogs? They did nothing wrong?

This really depends on what the baby has done.

The question is really whether or not northerners should be allowed dogs.

baby was sleeping.

dogs aren't always heroes like in cartoon. People who think they are and treat them as such as idiots.

[Helm]

so humans who are negligent deserve to have their kids killed? I am asking you again, is there anything the dog did WRONG? If they do stuff like this out of instinct, should we still treat them as if they are equal to us.

It's the dog itself that was wrong but that's a combination of the way it was bred and the way in which it was raised by it's owners.

why? Negligence on DOGS should be punished with death of their children? is that how your moral compass works? What about the dogs? They did nothing wrong?

The children were innocent victims of neglect. You just don't leave a potentially dangerous animal alone with a child that's not rocket science.

[removeduser_487563287433]

This really depends on what the baby has done.

The question is really whether or not northerners should be allowed dogs.

[boofhead]

If a dog starts mauling my kid in front of me, it's one dead dog. I don't give two hoots if my kid was mean to it (not that any of them would, they're good kids). A child is worth more than some aggro dog. In fact if I saw a dog mauling the local little feral boy with the rat's tail haircut I'd still step in and kill the thing. It's just a dog. Dogs are either servants or pests, nothing else. If they step outside their role they deserve a hammering.

[The Dude]

If a dog starts mauling my kid in front of me, it's one dead dog. I don't give two hoots if my kid was mean to it (not that any of them would, they're good kids). A child is worth more than some aggro dog. In fact if I saw a dog mauling the local little feral boy with the rat's tail haircut I'd still step in and kill the thing. It's just a dog. Dogs are either servants or pests, nothing else. If they step outside their role they deserve a hammering.

EDIT: censoring my anger until I can post something that isn't clouded by rage. Let's just say that christians and their goddamn sanctity of life rear their ugly head again the moment they can demonstrate their double standards.

[boofhead]

Try killing my dog, and you'll quickly end up dead yourself. If my dog were mauling some kid, there could be any reason to it but it's -my- responsibility to solve the problem. I won't have any damn vigilantes coming in with their good christian values taking life as they please.

I'm dead serious. If my dog for whatever reason goes on the street and someone thinks that gives them a free pass to take my dog's life, they have no idea what they're in for.

Your post disgusts me. I guess you christians only care about the sanctity of life when you want to see rape produce a child, but who cares about some animal right?

I smashed a dog one day for having a go at my leg. I knee-dropped the savage bastard in front of it's owners while they squealed.

If your dog goes near my child it's not YOUR business, boyo, it's mine.

[The Dude]

I smashed a dog one day for having a go at my leg. I knee-dropped the savage bastard in front of it's owners while they squealed.

If your dog goes near my child it's not YOUR business, boyo, it's mine.

Sick bastard. It sickens me that your faith would have you go to heaven just because you accepted some phoney prophet as "your saviour" while you have such a blatant disregard for whatever other form of life exists on this world.

I guess I should at the very least thank you for giving me more ammunition to denounce christianity with, but truth is I'd rather you had a heart.

[boofhead]

Sick bastard. It sickens me that your faith would have you go to heaven just because you accepted some phoney prophet as "your saviour" while you have such a blatant disregard for whatever other form of life exists on this world.

I guess I should at the very least thank you for giving me more ammunition to denounce christianity with, but truth is I'd rather you had a heart.

You are so riled up, calm down.

I won't apologize for being a man and a father in a country full of feral animals.

I don't care about your ing dog. Well, I do, only insofar as I care about you and your feelings.

And stop pretending killing animals is some Christian thing. That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Go and live in India with the holy cows.

[bushbush]

Sick bastard. It sickens me that your faith would have you go to heaven just because you accepted some phoney prophet as "your saviour" while you have such a blatant disregard for whatever other form of life exists on this world.

I guess I should at the very least thank you for giving me more ammunition to denounce christianity with, but truth is I'd rather you had a heart.

why should Boof care about OTHER LIFE forms if his own child or other HUMAN CHILD was attacked?

which one is more important? protecting the child, or animal?

broken moral compass again.

[Corvis]

I smashed a dog one day for having a go at my leg. I knee-dropped the savage bastard in front of it's owners while they squealed.

If your dog goes near my child it's not YOUR business, boyo, it's mine.

Rorschach, is that you?

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[Templar Knight]

I smashed a dog one day for having a go at my leg. I knee-dropped the savage bastard in front of it's owners while they squealed.

If your dog goes near my child it's not YOUR business, boyo, it's mine.

believe me when i say this, that if one of my dogs ever attacked my wife or me the dog would get a serius case of lead poising

and if i was out on the street and i happened to see a dog mauling a child or a person i would do everything in my power to ensure the survival of the person getting attacked by the dog and if that means smashing the dog over the head with a rock then so be it

No, I thought that valueing the sanctity of life was a christian thing. I guess I was wrong. You apparently see yourself fit enough to judge which life is deserving and which is not. How about you take a hike to the confession booth so the pastor can spoonfeed you some prefab bible wisdom to keep you from properly blowing your chance to get into heaven, alright?

you actually believe that the Ten Commandment's apply to anything but humans?

btw: this thread has turned into a nice flame war

[bushbush]

you actually believe that the Ten Commandment's apply to anything but humans?

i agree, such belief is very stupid.