Illegal Africans and Residents Clash in Italy

[Ebusitanus]

Migrants evacuated from southern Italian town

BBC

January 9, 2010

Italian authorities have evacuated hundreds of migrants from a southern town and brought in extra police after violent protests broke out.

Some 320 African migrants, many of whom work as fruit-pickers in Calabria, were taken by bus to an emergency centre.

Extra police were deployed after two days of riots, during which 37 people were injured and cars were set alight.

The violence broke out after two migrants were shot at with pellet guns by a group of local youths.

'Difficult situation'

Italy's Interior Minister Roberto Maroni prompted a storm of criticism from the leftist opposition by suggesting that the violence was the result of not addressing the issue of illegal workers in the country.



"There's a difficult situation in Rosarno, like in other places, because for years illegal immigration - which feeds criminal activities - has been tolerated and nothing effective has ever been done about it," he said according to Italy's La Repubblica newspaper.

Opposition leader Pierluigi Bersani said: "Maroni is passing the buck ... We have to go to the root of the problem: mafia, exploitation, xenophobia and racism."

Some 320 African migrants - mainly from Ghana and Nigeria - were taken by bus from the southern town of Rosarno to a reception centre at Crotone, some 170km (105 miles) away.

Local residents applauded as the eight buses carrying the migrant workers left the town, AFP reports.

Police said reinforcements had been called in at intersections and squares in the town to keep order on Saturday.

Many of the migrants, most of whom work as fruit-pickers in the region's citrus farms, live in difficult conditions - camped in abandoned factories and buildings with no running water or electricity, and paid as little as 20 euros ($30) per day.

As the economic crisis hits people, and more so in places such as economically depressed Calabria, these event are bound to be sadly seen more.

[Thorn777]

I'd riot too if I where them, but I wouldn't come here in the first place. Miserable situation...

[jankren]

What to do with Africa?

[Thorn777]

Not much, but it involves illegal Africans being exploited by mob, go on the locals nerves, riot, and get picked up by a buss to be driven to one of Berlusconi's "projects".

[jankren]

I think 100 years from now, Africa will still be a burden of the world.

I really feel bad for Africans. If only domesticated animals appeared in Africa first ...

[Basil II the B.S]

the funny thing is, you can't even send them back to Africa, or prevent them to come here, or you'll be called racist or xenophobe. Political correctness is a jail.

[mongrel]

the funny thing is, you can't even send them back to Africa, or prevent them to come here, or you'll be called racist or xenophobe. Political correctness is a jail.

Yes you can if there is a lawful reason . As it is presumed these folk are not legally resident, by definition there is a lawful reason, therefore I fail to see what the impediment is.

Of course it may be racist or xenophobic to suggest that Italy is unable or unwilling to deport illegal migrants purely on the basis of race.

Any reason why the local mob is allowed to operate freely by the way?

[Basil II the B.S]

Yes you can if there is a lawful reason . As it is presumed these folk are not legally resident, by definition there is a lawful reason, therefore I fail to see what the impediment is.

Last time Italy did an agreement with Libya to prevent illegal immigration, or copied spanish laws that actually make illegal immigration non-legal, the European Council started whining about racism.

Any reason why the local mob is allowed to operate freely by the way?

No. Too bad mafia always had and still has some sort of connection with our government.

I doubt this time mafia is the reason anyways. Why rioting against a town, hurting women and kids then?
The immigrants anger definitely comes from the pathetic conditions they lived in, but offcourse, this is not a reason to hurt other innocents.

[mongrel]

Last time Italy did an agreement with Libya to prevent illegal immigration, or copied spanish laws that actually make illegal immigration non-legal, the European Council started whining about racism.

I say again what legal impediment is their to prevent the deportation of illegal migrants. I put it to you that there is not any.

No. Too bad mafia always had and still has some sort of connection with our government.I doubt this time mafia is the reason anyways. Why rioting against a town, hurting women and kids then?The immigrants anger definitely comes from the pathetic conditions they lived in, but offcourse, this is not a reason to hurt other innocents.

Of course not, but there again they should not be there nor should they be openly find ready employment from criminals. It is a bit rich criticizing a disorganized mob, yet tolerating organised crime.

[Basil II the B.S]

Of course not, but there again they should not be there nor should they be openly find ready employment from criminals. It is a bit rich criticizing a disorganized mob, yet tolerating organised crime.

Organized crime is everywhere, not just in Italy. And it's not tolerated, just hard to eliminate.
And I criticize those who commits crime, and this time are immigrants.

Are you suggesting that the N'drangheta are able to operate without violence or any ill effects on the local economy and that drug dealing extortion kidnapping and blackmailing never "hurted" anybody?

I guess you didn't understand my post.

[Carach]

the funny thing is, you can't even send them back to Africa, or prevent them to come here, or you'll be called racist or xenophobe. Political correctness is a jail.

many illegals deliberately go on their little adventure to europe without documents to show their origin (a lot of the time their 'connections' tell them to do this) simply because they cant be sent back due to human rights blah blah blah.

[jankren]

Xenophone? LOL

[Basil II the B.S]

Xenophone? LOL

LOL,xenophobe my bad.

So basically they're criminals?

those who destroyed private properties and assaulted a pregnant woman and 2 kids are.

Offcourse they have the right to protest, but Italy is not Africa, you can't go around and destroy everything, assaulting whoever, if things are going bad for you.

[Gromovnik]

So basically they're criminals?

[DAVIDE]

Im 100% with the Africans! They are the only ones in Calabria, to fight actively the n'drangheta (as often reported by Roberto Saviano). While the natives (Calabrians) are totally indifferent or colluted with mafia. And Italian government has to fight Mafia, not the black guys which are revolting against organized criminality

[Basil II the B.S]

Im 100% with the Africans! They are the only ones in Calabria, to fight actively the n'drangheta (as often reported by Roberto Saviano). While the natives (Calabrians) are totally indifferent or colluted with mafia. And Italian government has to fight Mafia, not the black guys which are revolting against organized criminality

Lol,fighting who? N'drangheta buddies hurted :none. Italians innocent citizens hurted:37. Sorry, no support from me.
I totally disagree with Saviano this time. When he supports his claim with a proof, then I will, until that, he's wrong.

[mongrel]

Lol,fighting who? N'drangheta buddies hurted :none. Italians innocent citicenz hurted:37. Sorry, no support from me.

Are you suggesting that the N'drangheta are able to operate without violence or any ill effects on the local economy and that drug dealing, extortion kidnapping and blackmailing never "hurted" anybody?

Criminal failure I think

[DAVIDE]

Lol,fighting who? N'drangheta buddies hurted :none. Italians innocent citicenz hurted:37. Sorry, no support from me.

Who do you think Africans works for? read below carefully


Between n'drangheta, oranges and slavery:
Africans will save Rosarno

The violent revolt in Rosarno, Calabria, had the prologue one year ago circa. Few months after that, similar to the one of Castelvolturno, in Campania, that has been caused by the extermination of a group of Africans by Casalesi Clan. In Rosarno the farm labourer immigrants are living in slums and abandoned factories since when factories were of Apulians and Calabrians property. Africans mass arrived in the 90's in Calabria. A situation load of tension who lead to gunfights with the local community and N'Drangheta (the communal council of Rosarno has been dissoluted for suspect mafia infiltration). Just the 12 december 2008 the wounding of two Ivorians employees in the oranges plantation, istigated the revolt by a group of Africans, to mass protest in all the town squares of Rosarno in a pacific way. From that revolt, one of the rare public manifestations of disagreement against the Clans, in a territory totally dominated by 'ndrine, a book saw the light, published by terrelibere, with a title that today sounds like a provocation: "the africans will save Rosarno (and probably Italy too)". Panorama.it has contacted Antonello Mangano, journalist and writer, one of the book authors:

Today would you remake a book with the same title?
Sure. First of all let's say that the violence of yersterdays and todays manifestations is wrong and counter-producing, but the substance of situation doesnt change.

A year ago we saw an analogous revolt, but that one never degenerated in violence. What's changed?
The problem is that nothing changed: not in a year but in ten. At the base there's a situation of degrade and exploitation since the 90's and it's formally tolerated. There's a situation of violence, intimidations on the territory by organized criminals and suffered by Italians too. The major difference between them and Italians is that Africans has the attitude to rebel against criminalities, while Italians not.

The gunfight against two immigrants that raged the revolt, is of mafia origin?
We still dont know neither we can affirm it with certitude, in this territory we suffered violence for futile reasons: last year the aggression against migrants was a robbery, it is paradoxal, if we think that those people has no goods at all!

For sure now integration, that was complicated even before, will be very hard to make: after years of damages caused to the town, Rosarno inhabitants are asking Africans to be kicked out from Calabria and Italy.
Hold on, there are many Italians that are trying to assist them. i saw those people: Catholic associations, Libera, Observatory for the migrants etc... sure, now the Rosarno inhabitants are whining, but until Africans shutted up to harvest oranges with a ridicuolous pay per day, nobody said anything. I would to see Rosarno people to rebel whenever a 14 years old kid homicide will happen as happened a year ago. But problem's that Rosarnians has not the attitude to rebel against criminality.

Yes but cars burnt and menaces of violence at the population are not a good way to force people to listen to their problems..
I repeat, the violence and degeneration is absolutely to be condamned. But this is not a manifestation made by a political party, there's not a police service. It's a revolt of exasperated people, and not surely just because someone shooted against two of them. We cannot talk of integration in an exploitation situation.

How many are the immigrants that are working on oranges plantations?
2000 circa. It's hard to censis them all. Many of them are the same ones who work in Apulia to harvest tomatoes or in Castelvolturno, in summer. In winter, for these farm labourers, this is the few places where manpower is needed


How the Police is acting? Generally the situation is tolerated, like if it wasnt existing. There are sometimes removal of clandestinos but we have to say that some denounces has been made by African farm labourers for episodes of violence they suffered and for the conditions Africans has to works with.. but generally police are not acting against who is hosting the work on the plantation. Because for economy everything is ok, until Africans shut up



Source: http://blog.panorama.it/italia/2010/...ranno-rosarno/



CALABRIANS WAKE UP!

[Gromovnik]

Street violence is perfectly understandable because the organised crime exists? That's rich...

[Dr. Croccer]

What a terrible situation. It's disturbing that those Italians don't bat an eyelid at the mafia. I was under the impression that most Italians despised them.