A subject that muslim apologists ought to discuss: the Jewish Nakba

[Saxon wårolord]

http://www.israel-palestina.info/mod...ticle&sid=1015

[Farnan]

What's a Muslim apologists?

[Helm]

What's a Muslim apologists?

People who say sorry to Muslims?

If thousands of alien people flooded into my livingplace in a very short time I wouldn't be very happy.

How much space do you need to live in?

[Treize]

That was a bad thing. But the Zionists were not a very nice people neither (in that region in that time).
And If my livingplace was being colonised at a very rapid rate I might wanted to do something aswell, you never know.

[Saxon wårolord]

That was a bad thing. But the Zionists were not a very nice people neither (in that region in that time).
And If my livingplace was being colonised at a very rapid rate I might wanted to do something aswell, you never know.

Bravo, bravo.
'Colonized', you were saying; am I wrong?

Then tell me..... given that colonization obeids devotion to some sort foreign of country....why don't you tell me which one:

-The U.K?
-The U.S.S.R?
-The U.S.A?
-France?

Moreover.....you said that if your livingplace was colonized...you'd want to 'do something'...
So were Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Iran ,Lybia, Afghanistan , Iraq, Lebanon and many others being 'colonized' by the evil Zionists?
How come the Palestinians consider all these countries as their livingplace?
What pushes them to believe such things? The Arab league? The Muslims Brotherhood?
....Who knows!

[Treize]

The Palastinians don't really consider the entire arab word to be their homeland.

If thousands of alien people flooded into my livingplace in a very short time I wouldn't be very happy.

[Saxon wårolord]

If thousands of alien people flooded into my livingplace in a very short time I wouldn't be very happy.

So Jews are.....'alien people' even if they lived in these countries for reasonably more than two thousand years?

[mongrel]

So Jews are.....'alien people' even if they lived in these countries for reasonably more than two thousand years?

What , including these people?


http://www.spiegel.de/international/...504803,00.html

[Saxon wårolord]

What , including these people?


http://www.spiegel.de/international/...504803,00.html

These people, are early Russian immigrants.
The most Jewish among them possess no more than a Jewish great grandfather.

[ivan_the_terrible]

The most Jewish among them possess no more than a Jewish great grandfather.

Some only on paper.

[mongrel]

These people, are early Russian immigrants.
The most Jewish among them possess no more than a Jewish great grandfather.

So not thousands of years of occupation then. It is particularly poor form that the Israel government would rather import skinhead Nazis than allow the return of people who have a connection with the country, Christian and mulsim alike.

[uzi716]

Its not actually an Israel thread as such. The original topic is more crtiical towards arab countries.
Fact is though that for the most part arabs and palestinians dont really conflate the other with themselves, and that many arabs dont even remotely like palestinians (which doesnt mean that they dont hate Israel either) and ocassionaly, vica versa. At best they consider them "fellow muslims" and see that as the only common factor.
Thats probably the main reason why they dont care about muslim countries expelling jews and taking their property . Apart from the whole "they did it first thing" (Which if you consider jews immigrating to Israel being the trigger and not the creation of the state of Israel, would technically be true)
Theres also the fact that many see Israelis as well-off today so its easy to ignore the fact that their ancestors (Not even neccasarily, Some people from then are alive today) suffered, very easy in fact. While many see the palestinians from 60 years ago and today as the exact same people.
Edit: Yet another factor is that many see Israel as a democracy, so they think if the palestinians were expelled it was the will of the entire nation, while many muslim and arab countries were basicalaly dictatorships. Though in reality even dictators rarely do anything of this scale unless they think it will make them more popular. And it probably did .

What? Dude I don't think you know much about Arabs and the Middle East but most do not discriminate each other by nationality. The common thing they share is that they are Arab and Muslim.

So Jews are.....'alien people' even if they lived in these countries for reasonably more than two thousand years?

In a way they are because they were a minority in that region for hundreds of years up until the 20th century when immigrants from Europe started arriving.

You can't just show up to a place and say I used to live here once upon a time and I now I want it back...

[Surgeon]

What? Dude I don't think you know much about Arabs and the Middle East but most do not discriminate each other by nationality. The common thing they share is that they are Arab and Muslim.

Of course they do. Most Arab-Muslim nations sympathize with Palestinians because they dislike Israel, but they're not extremely keen to help them either.

[Saxon wårolord]

You can't just show up to a place and say I used to live here once upon a time and I now I want it back...

Well that's rich: You gave me the argument to neglect the famous 'right of return' that Palestinians cherish so much during peace negociations.

[justicar5]

So Jews are.....'alien people' even if they lived in these countries for reasonably more than two thousand years?

the ones that came from europe, russia etc where strangers yes.

[Saxon wårolord]

the ones that came from europe, russia etc where strangers yes.

So tell me....were the Sfardim and Magrebim, arabic Jews; to be considered as 'alien people' given the fact that they now compose 60% of Israelis?
In 1948 there were 500 000 Jews in Israel, in 1955, there were 1.5 million Jews in Israel.....
Where did all these Jews come from?

...What? You tried to compare the Palestian ''right of return'' and Jewish immigration to Israel.

Read the artivle before saying stupid things.

Again, what? My point is that 80% of Israeli Jews are descended from immigrants who came there after 1870. The only reason they have a claim at all is because they flooded the country within a life time.

Your point is wrong, it's more like 74%.
So you do oppose Muslim immigration, am I wrong?

[justicar5]

So tell me....were the Sfardim and Magrebim, arabic Jews; to be considered as 'alien people' given the fact that they now compose 60% of Israelis?
In 1948 there were 500 000 Jews in Israel, in 1955, there were 1.5 million Jews in Israel.....
Where did all these Jews come from?

immigration.

Your point is wrong, it's more like 74%.
So you do oppose Muslim immigration, am I wrong?

depoends the children of people violently removed by the isreali military and militias should be allowed to return, have all their lands returned to them and compensation paid for the ethnic cleansing they underwent.

[Dr. Croccer]

So tell me....were the Sfardim and Magrebim, arabic Jews; to be considered as 'alien people' given the fact that they now compose 60% of Israelis?
In 1948 there were 500 000 Jews in Israel, in 1955, there were 1.5 million Jews in Israel.....
Where did all these Jews come from?

Immigration from Europe.

Read the artivle before saying stupid things.

I'm not talking about the article, but you're own claims.

Your point is wrong, it's more like 74%.

Whatever.

So you do oppose Muslim immigration, am I wrong?

Again, Muslims aren't claiming my country as their ancestral homeland. Nor does it seem likely that they would jump from 1% of the population to 30-40% within 70 years.

Though they probably would if the Dutch tried to ethnically cleanse them, as the Arabs have been doing (or tried atleast) to the Jews for decades now.

The Jewish militias were formed as a result of anti-Zionist riots, not ''ethnic cleansing''. By that logic, Muslims in Britain should have their own militias, after various riots. Compared to Europe at the same time, the ethnic conflict in Palestina in the 20s and prior was rather mild.

So what?
It's extremely worrying that a country with no past history of Islam, suddenly within a few decades has a 20% muslim population.

...? Which country in the West has a ''20% muslim population''?

What we see in Western Europe is cultural suicide at its finest, a blatant disregard for your own history and culture.

Yes, just look at the Far Right. Have you ever seen more barbaric anti-European nonsense in your life?

[Armenum]

So Jews are.....'alien people' even if they lived in these countries for reasonably more than two thousand years?

Not Jews, but Israeli's are alien people. The problem is with the State of Israel not the religion.

[Simon Cashmere]

The Palastinians don't really consider the entire arab word to be their homeland.

If thousands of alien people flooded into my livingplace in a very short time I wouldn't be very happy.

Hmm, I'm glad you feel this way.