Blacksmiths...

[wupwup]

I know the team have added lots more units that can be upgraded but i hardly ever use them. Dose anyone remember the medieval 1 mechanic where to train something with full plate you had to have an armouror in that settlement? Dose anyone else think the game would be better with this feature? Or maybe a comprimise where it lowers training costs to show that they dont need to trade / import arms and armour any more? Just a sugestion but i think iw would make it much more interesting as you have to choose wich settlements you want to use to produce good units. Obviosly as millitia only have leather early on it would be fine making all settlements powerhouses. But later on when you cant spend 2000 gold and 6 turns it would make it much more interesting, realistic and tactical. Anyone agree?

[FOR GONDOR]

i think we should at least be able to see the armour upgrade on our troops like in medieval if u went to battle with a unit that had heavy mail you would see it wearin heavy mail and when u upgraded it it would have the new armour i think we shpuld have the armour upgrades be specific to that faction as well like for gondor we give them plate rohan uogradable schale mail and chain mail the elves plate and chain the dwarves dwarvern plate mail ect ect ect

[trueblaze]

90% of the time I don't upgrade my armorer beyound leather and instead simply upgrade my units at cities that I captured that have high level armorers.

Maybe if the Armorer reduced training cost by say 1% or 2% per level to account for the fact that they can provide units with armor easier it would make it more worth building. Or maybe even increasing income since more people would be ordering armor for protection and/or onamental uses.

[wupwup]

90% of the time I don't upgrade my armorer beyound leather and instead simply upgrade my units at cities that I captured that have high level armorers.

Maybe if the Armorer reduced training cost by say 1% or 2% per level to account for the fact that they can provide units with armor easier it would make it more worth building. Or maybe even increasing income since more people would be ordering armor for protection and/or onamental uses.

Exactly. So do i. Has anyone played fate of empires for rome? Great mod. You had to build whole infra structures for you economy. I.e stone quarys or stone import buildings. This allowed you to make a stonemasons workshop wich added to trade. Obviosly we dont want to go too complex but it would be nice if a similar thing could be done too. But maybe not. It did get a bit intense at times

[Point Blank]

Any armor upgrade improves unit armor by 2 points. Its definitely worth it, considering most attack values are relatively low in this mod. If the unit does not visually change after the upgrade, consider the armor as of better quality, eg better metallurgy, than the original armor.

[Maverock]

Any armor upgrade improves unit armor by 2 points. Its definitely worth it, considering most attack values are relatively low in this mod. If the unit does not visually change after the upgrade, consider the armor as of better quality, eg better metallurgy, than the original armor.

Does armor visually change? Like if you have the Mithril Forge for the Dwarves?
If so, never saw it before.. maybe due too my not optimal visual settings.

[Lordinquisitor]

Some Armour changes. Vault Wardens are one unit. (Maybe even the only one..)

[Hermes Trismegistos]

Well, there are a few more i think but I'm not sure of all of them: I know of the Orc raiders and weren't there new upgraded versions for the heavy elves announced in 1.3?

[Tom Bombadil]

Im pretty sure forest wardens and silvan spearmen look different when you upgrade them with mail. And to be honest it does make a large difference in their ability to survive, I can easily trounce armies of orcs and a couple of trolls using low level units thanks to these armour upgrades.

[Seleukos_I.]

Advanced armories also give some nice retinues to your generals e.g. +4 hitpoints.

[Muffer Nl]

That is the major benefit for armor upgrades in my opinion. You can do a suicide charge against the enemy, lose your entire bodyguard but have your general survive and do the exact same thing the next turn but this time with more bodyguards!

[alhoon]

That is the major benefit for armor upgrades in my opinion. You can do a suicide charge against the enemy, lose your entire bodyguard but have your general survive and do the exact same thing the next turn but this time with more bodyguards!

+4 hit points won't save a general trapped within enemy spearmen.
Sure they help though, but the feeling that your guy is invulnerable may provoke unneeded recklessness in your part.

I got that armor with an orc general and did exactly that... and lost the general, with 40 out of 70 bodyguards remaining.
You see, I was used to the Witchking's invulnerability and thought that those +4 hp would also make my orc general hard to die. Well, 5-6 hp is different than 20.

You should do it

And do it right! It will be strange to have a nice looking unit turn not-so-nice because the upgrade modeler didn't do it nice.

[FOR GONDOR]

still it would be nice if we cpuld see the armour upgrades like when we give silvian spearmen an uograde we see the chailn mail on them or when we ugrade pelegar mariners armour so they wear plate mail like there godor infintry cousins

[Saila]

+1 FOR GONDOR Visualisation of armor upgrades is one of my favorite features, would be just awesome to see it in next patch. Pretty pweease

[MDT]

You now that to make armor upgrades visual the team would need to model each upgradet unit new?
In my humble opinion this time is better spend on completely new untis that add something to the game or for reworking eriador.
Or:

i think we should at least be able to see the armour upgrade on our troops like in medieval if u went to battle with a unit that had heavy mail you would see it wearin heavy mail and when u upgraded it it would have the new armour i think we shpuld have the armour upgrades be specific to that faction as well like for gondor we give them plate rohan uogradable schale mail and chain mail the elves plate and chain the dwarves dwarvern plate mail ect ect ect

You should do it

[sirfiggin]

remember that blacksmiths don't just make weapons and armor, they should certainly increase income.

[Kawee]

remember that blacksmiths don't just make weapons and armor, they should certainly increase income.

I don't think this is true, at least now in TATW, unless you're talking about dwarven blacksmiths in RR/RC?

[Papine]

I don't think this is true, at least now in TATW, unless you're talking about dwarven blacksmiths in RR/RC?

I think he was talking more like in real life...

[Muffer Nl]

Well you should also choose which enemy's to charge at carefully. Charge your Gondor general into some Orcs raiders = win. Charge your Orcs general into some Khazad-Dûm guards or FG = lose...

[alhoon]

Well you should also choose which enemy's to charge at carefully. Charge your Gondor general into some Orcs raiders = win. Charge your Orcs general into some Khazad-Dûm guards or FG = lose...

My point exactly. A good suit of armor couldn't save a general from Khazad Dum guards. I doupt if I could save Witchking from them in time, if he's not backed up by a unit of expendable troops to soak in blows.

I do wonder why silvan heavy archers aren't the archers that appear at helm's deep in the movies. the current ones could be their upgraded versions.

Interesting.
I think some of the units could be used as the upgrades.