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Thread: IWTE - World editing - (General Discussion)

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    Default Re: IWTE - World editing - (General Discussion)

    There is another thing I would like to suggest.
    Its something I've dealing with for like... 10 yeas now, lol.

    It would be wonderful if IWTE allowed us to add collisions to multiple objects at once, as well as adding collision effetcs to them.

    Selecting objects and adding collisions to them one by one takes ages. If we could ctrl + click to sort many different objects and then click only one time in "create object collision", it would be great! (click in first object + shift +click in last object of a uninterrupted sequence of objects in the object list woud also be good).

    The same goes to collision effects. Let me give one example, Erebor has many invisible (alpha texture) boxes spread over the wall surfaces, they work like lamps emmiting light effects. But when you have like 50 of these lamp objects, it gets speccially annoying to go one by one assigning collisions and then again one by one giving them collision effects.

    Well this is a lot of requests for now, I'll stay quiet and give you guys time to meditate about all I said here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo.civil.uefs View Post
    But when you have like 50 of these lamp objects, it gets speccially annoying to go one by one assigning collisions and then again one by one giving them collision effects.
    On existing version if you re-assign an existing collision (instead of creating a new collision each time) to the next lamp object, so all the similar lamp objects use the SAME collision, then when you change or add the effect it should already add it to all of them, that's been an IWTE function for a long while...

    It would be wonderful if IWTE allowed us to add collisions to multiple objects at once,
    The problem with that is the directionality - if something is completely symmetrical and doesn't have an anim then it would probably work. For things like wall blocks or towers that are almost symetrical IWTE needs to be given a clue by the user about which direction they face, otherwise the fine detail like battlements, or the anims when they get applied, are likely to end up pointing the wrong way.

    Anyway points noted and added to the wish list

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    Quote Originally Posted by leo.civil.uefs View Post
    Another thing.
    IWTE should memorize the path of the first binary file (.world) you select while opening a settlement. This way the user would not need to navigate all the way to the folder again to select the two other files. (thats really boring for someone like me who is always dealing with IWTE)
    Slightly confused with this - I've just tried with the .exe and it seems to do that already!?! - I was about to agree with you, because using the python files we use for testing do make you go through the path each time, but the .exe shouldn't be doing that... and doesn't for me!
    EDIT: actually the python files don't do that either, they'll go back to same folder for .collision etc, they just don't remember the last folder you opened if you close and re-launch, which the .exe seems to...



    Quote Originally Posted by leo.civil.uefs View Post
    Also, automatically saving .worldvegetation and .worldpathfinding inside IWTE SAVE folder does not seem very useful. why not simply save it inside the settlement folder where the original files came from?
    yeaahhh - we have a bit of indecision about this - we started doing it as an alternative to adding _1 etc on the names of new files to prevent accidental overwriting - idea being you'd mess about with the files in IWTE SAVE until happy with them, then paste them into place without having to fiddle with re-naming. Some other bits (anims) now do a replace file and make a back-up copy, WD might try extending that so more of the files work that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makanyane View Post
    Slightly confused with this - I've just tried with the .exe and it seems to do that already!?! - I was about to agree with you, because using the python files we use for testing do make you go through the path each time, but the .exe shouldn't be doing that... and doesn't for me!
    EDIT: actually the python files don't do that either, they'll go back to same folder for .collision etc, they just don't remember the last folder you opened if you close and re-launch, which the .exe seems to...
    I tried again (with the .exe of the latest version), and you're right.

    BUT... I want to give myself the bennefit of doubt.
    I can clearly remember this "problem" happening. Maybe it only happened in a specific circunstance or related to my PC configs? (Sorry if the question sounds stupid).

    Ill be quiet for now to avoid wasting your time in case my report is nosense, but if I manage to replicate the case again, Ill tell in more details how it happened.

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    Im still not sure about the 3 main files path memorizing issue I reported, but for the .worldpkgdesc file Im sure.

    If you actually opened the 3 maisn files in IWTE, then when you click to edit the .worldpkgdesc, IWTE will instantly open the same folder of the 3 main files.
    But if you use IWTE only to edit the .worldpkgdesc without first opening the 3 main files, IWTE will not memorize the .worldpkgdesc path for when you click edit worldackage file again.

    This path memory is impportant for when you're editing a lot of .worldpkgdesc files (it happens when you're organizing your mod), to avid you navigating all the way again and again through folders.

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    I think I know now exactly what was happening.
    This is true:

    Quote Originally Posted by leo.civil.uefs View Post
    I just opened a settlement in IWTE (Isengard), edited and saved it, IWTE created 3 new main files in Isengard settlement folder. OK.
    But then, using the same IWTE session, I opened Erebor, edited it and saved. And what happened was that 3 new main files of Isengard settlement were created inside Isengard folder.

    IWTE does not have a "close" button to shut down the editing of a settlement, you must click "read 3 binary files" to open a new settlement, overlaping the previous one, but according to the experience I just narrated here, the previous settlement is not shut down and this causes a mess.

    So you need to close IWTE and open it again to load a new settlement wihout messing up things.

    Considering the current version of IWTE takes some time to start, I would say a "close" button beside the "read 3 binary files" one would be useful.

    While this is not. IWTE already memorizes the path:

    Quote Originally Posted by leo.civil.uefs View Post
    Another thing.
    IWTE should memorize the path of the first binary file (.world) you select while opening a settlement. This way the user would not need to navigate all the way to the folder again to select the two other files. (thats really boring for someone like me who is always dealing with IWTE)
    The problem is that since I always had to shut down IWTE and open it again to avoid the problem described in the first quote, I had to drive through the folders again because IWTE does not memorize the path once you shut it down.

    So I think that fixing the problem in the first quote will fix everything. In other words, adding a "close" button to IWTE.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilddog View Post
    The texture list has been amended to remove duplicates to make updating textures a lot easier.
    Oh dear... This would have saved me ages of working in the past.
    By the way, Im in need of this right now. Changing duplicated textures one by one is boooring.
    Last edited by leo.civil.uefs; June 12, 2020 at 03:26 PM.

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    Default Re: IWTE - World editing - (General Discussion)

    Thanks Leo, that's all noted, and will be looked at, unfortunately it's going to take a little while as WD's in the middle of a bit of a re-write to get the option to import/export to blender working, so we need to complete that and check the existing functions haven't been messed up, before we get back to a stable base to make the other amendments from.

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    Latest version of IWTE 20_07_A has now been released (see below details).

    I've finally got around to adding in an interface (Collada format) to allow links to Blender (2.82) which also helps some of the Max users. The interface essentially overcomes a lot of the hard limits set by the original Milkshape support. A major change is tied to world file data as Milkshape had to handle everything at a structure level with a naming convention to support. The new Collada interface uses a different naming convention and supports multiple complex loading and NOT single structures.


    1) New interface in Collada format to support links to Blender and 3dsmax. This has mostly been designed and tested with Blender 2.82. The format is partially supported by Max but not all functions are handled correctly.
    2) Introduction of more top line menu options to support the new interfaces.
    3) Export via Collada of World, Complex or Object options. These also include the parent complex box.
    4) Import via Collada of World option. This reloads/replaces/deletes multiple loaded complexes in one pass. Deleting of a complete complex is still via the delete complex button. Please note that due to naming issues in data loaded to Max models involving alpha textures and reflective planes (water!) are not supported currently.
    5) Export via Collada of World terrain data.
    6) Import via Collada of World terrain data. This replaces the current terrain height data for the nodes loaded ie it also handles partial reloads of worldterrain data.
    7) Export via Collada of World animations (.anim files). This is currently only handled at 30 fps and matrix format (Blender) or baked matrices(max).
    8) Import via Collada of World animation data.
    9) new option Reset Complex Blocks to allocate objects into complexes and structures.
    10) Major speed up in calculating bounding boxes.
    11) Further corrections to the Effects and shading processes. This will likely be expanded further
    12) Introduction of new thread process and Error message system to handle slow running operations. This is a work in progress. The new Collada processes have been moved to this.
    13) Texture naming now uses only single references to a texture rather than the multiple references that Vanilla models use which should ease changing Textures across complexes.
    14) Various bugs and corrections.

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    Default Re: IWTE - World editing - (General Discussion)

    Apologies in advance to Leo - we've not managed to get the file path stuff done yet as the Blender changes were rather in-depth (and also in-progress so needed to be completed first to get back to a stable version)

    I'm also behind with writing up instructions as usual! There's a start explaining getting things in and out of Blender here:
    https://wiki.twcenter.net/index.php?...ender_for_IWTE

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