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    KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia – Four Malaysian churches were attacked with firebombs, causing extensive damage to one, as Muslims pledged Friday to prevent Christians from using the word "Allah," escalating religious tensions in the multiracial country.
    Many Malay Muslims, who make up 60 percent of the population, are incensed by a recent High Court decision to overturn a ban on Roman Catholics using "Allah" as a translation for God in the Malay-language edition of their main newspaper, the Herald.
    The government says Allah, an Arabic word that predates Islam, is exclusive to the faith and by extension to Malays. It refuses to make an exception, even though the Herald's Malay edition is read only by Christian indigenous tribes in the remote states of Sabah and Sarawak.
    At Friday prayers at two main mosques in downtown Kuala Lumpur, young worshippers carried banners and gave fiery speeches, vowing to defend Islam.
    "We will not allow the word Allah to be inscribed in your churches," one speaker shouted into a loudspeaker at the Kampung Bahru mosque. About 50 other people carried posters reading "Heresy arises from words wrongly used" and "Allah is only for us."
    "Islam is above all. Every citizen must respect that," said Ahmad Johari, who attended prayers at the National Mosque. "I hope the court will understand the feeling of the majority Muslims of Malaysia. We can fight to the death over this issue."
    The demonstrations were held inside the mosque compounds to follow a police order against protests on the streets. Participants dispersed peacefully afterward.
    Malaysia is often held up as a model for other Islamic countries because of its economic development, progressive society and generally peaceful coexistence between the Malay majority and the ethnic Chinese and Indian minorities who are mostly Christians, Buddhists and Hindus.
    The Allah controversy, however, has the potential to shatter that carefully nurtured harmony, drive a deep racial wedge and scare away sorely needed foreign investment as the country struggles to emerge from the global financial crisis.
    Prime Minister Najib Razak condemned the attacks on the churches by unidentified assailants, who struck before dawn in different suburbs of Kuala Lumpur. He said the government would "take whatever steps it can to prevent such acts."
    Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said the country's leaders were very concerned about the situation.
    "We don't want this to spread out into something else. ... I am not only assuring the minorities, I am assuring all Malaysians — anybody who is in Malaysia — that they are safe," he told reporters.
    In the first attack, the ground-level office of the three-story Metro Tabernacle Church was destroyed in a blaze set off by a firebomb thrown by attackers on motorcycles soon after midnight, police said. The worship areas on the upper two floors were undamaged and there were no injuries.
    Three other churches were attacked hours later, with one sustaining minor damage while the others were not damaged. No arrests have been made.
    The tribespeople of Sabah and Sarawak, who speak only Malay, have always referred to God as "Allah," an Arabic word used not only by Muslims but also by Christians in Muslim-majority countries such as Egypt, Syria and Indonesia.
    Many Malaysian Muslims say its use by others would mislead people, tempting them to convert to Christianity.
    Since the verdict, hateful comments and threats against Christians have been posted widely on the Internet, but this was the first time the controversy turned destructive.
    Kuala Lumpur police Chief Mohamad Sabtu Osman told The Associated Press that a witness saw four people on two motorcycles breaking the glass front of the Metro Tabernacle church and throwing an incendiary object inside before fleeing.
    He said police found a wrench, an empty gasoline can and two scorched motorcycle helmets at the scene.
    The backlash against the court verdict has reinforced complaints by minorities that they face institutional discrimination. They say it is almost impossible to get permission to build new churches and temples. Some Hindu temples have been demolished in the past. Court verdicts in religious disputes usually favor Muslims.


    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100108/...ysia_allah_ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astor View Post
    I think its awful. Awful.




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    It is in my personal belief that the disease within Islam is too chronic to cure.


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    Intolerant muslims resorting to violence? What's new.
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    I thought Allah is same one as Christian God??
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Intolerant muslims resorting to violence? What's new.

    I'm not trying to justify these terrorist atrocities but ask yourself this - what was the frequency of these criminal acts before Abu Gharaib, before Gunatanamo, before Bagram Air Base, before the bombing of Afghan weddings, before this week's execution of Afghan schoolchildren by NATO forces and its allies, etc, etc? Were there not Jews living peacefully everywhere from Morocco to Afghanistan before the Zionist movement?

    There are actions and there are reactions. The actions are savage and the reactions are downright Medieval. What can you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmud Ghaznavi View Post
    I'm not trying to justify these terrorist atrocities but ask yourself this - what was the frequency of these criminal acts before Abu Gharaib, before Gunatanamo, before Bagram Air Base, before the bombing of Afghan weddings, before this week's execution of Afghan schoolchildren by NATO forces and its allies, etc, etc? Were there not Jews living peacefully everywhere from Morocco to Afghanistan before the Zionist movement?

    There are actions and there are reactions. The actions are savage and the reactions are downright Medieval. What can you do?
    While I would be mightily angry if those things happened to me, my family or my people and could quite possibly resort to violence none of the things you listed (Abu Graib, Guantanamo etc.) were done by Christians in Kuala Lumpur or Malaysia.

    And if those people have been using the word Allah for centuries (and nobody ws offended) it is clear that some retard is just seeking excuse for stirring up trouble. My bet is on the Wahabi crazies who are the single greatest enemy of the Muslims worldwide along with the Saudi Arabian government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklop View Post
    While I would be mightily angry if those things happened to me, my family or my people and could quite possibly resort to violence none of the things you listed (Abu Graib, Guantanamo etc.) were done by Christians in Kuala Lumpur or Malaysia.
    Yeah. There's a lot of resentment here, you know... like when we hear about what they did to the Albanians and the Bosnians, it feels as though it somehow affects us too. I'm not a Muslim believer myself but what I hear of these atrocities, I feel as though I've been personally hurt. Of course, resorting to the same violence that you abhor as a means of vengeance is not only hypocritical but also counter-productive. I'd follow the doctrine of Gandhi and Bachaa Khan any day over the Salafi dogma.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oklop View Post
    And if those people have been using the word Allah for centuries (and nobody ws offended) it is clear that some retard is just seeking excuse for stirring up trouble. My bet is on the Wahabi crazies who are the single greatest enemy of the Muslims worldwide along with the Saudi Arabian government.
    "Allah" is "the one God" in Arabic. Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews refer to God/Divus as "Allah". I think all of this is being done in the courts to counter the influence of Christian missionaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahmud Ghaznavi View Post
    I'm not trying to justify these terrorist atrocities but ask yourself this - what was the frequency of these criminal acts before Abu Gharaib, before Gunatanamo, before Bagram Air Base, before the bombing of Afghan weddings, before this week's execution of Afghan schoolchildren by NATO forces and its allies, etc, etc? Were there not Jews living peacefully everywhere from Morocco to Afghanistan before the Zionist movement?

    There are actions and there are reactions. The actions are savage and the reactions are downright Medieval. What can you do?
    Before Abu Gharaib, Gunatanamo, BAB, there was 9/11. What was the provocation for that? Was the West "bombing Afghan weddings" then too? Execution of children? Do you really believe that nonsense? Frankly, I think more muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq are being killed by suicide bombers attacking crowded areas than by any of the unintentional casualties brought about by Reapers and the like. And anyway, what does any of that have to do with this unprovoked barbaric attack on Malay Christians? I forget who exactly mentioned the vandalism of mosques by skinheads in Europe, but let me ask you this. If that had happened, do you really think muslims around the world would have sat quietly? No. There'd be marches and protests and burning of effigies and threats of trade boycotts from every Muslims country from Malaysia to Libya. They'd have made a humongous fuss about it and appealed every which way citing discrimination and so on and people would definitely have heard of it. But that didn't happen, so I doubt the veracity of those claims.
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    The stupidity behind this is staggering.
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    Monotheism means war? Not sure what other conclusion to draw from this. Tragic story...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuliano Taverna View Post
    Monotheism means war? Not sure what other conclusion to draw from this. Tragic story...
    The funny thing is both religions worshipping same God; such an irony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    The funny thing is both religions worshipping same God; such an irony.
    Well even within Christianity and Islam you have holy sites being bombs and people being killed for not being the right kind of Christian or Muslims. I suppose it should be ironic but in reality its predictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    The funny thing is both religions worshipping same God; such an irony.
    my God is not Islams god, different prophets and messages. My prophet is the son of God, promotes peace to the point of being a good shepard to your flock, promoted piety and poverty, had no sex, never killed anyone and never sinned. Their prophet is a man, a warlord, somone who massacred populations, loved killing jews were told, married multiple women including a nine year, and yes he ed that nine year old, let me say that again, he ed a nine year old
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    Fail history. BTW why are you basically parroting the anti-Muslim propaganda of Medieval clergy ?

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    Fail history. BTW why are you basically parroting the anti-Muslim propaganda of Medieval clergy ?
    It's more comforting to his faith.
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    I'm just responding to the recent influx of extremism from users like "Poet" (which you apologists ignore altogether). I'm glad you got your priorities straight.

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    LoL. They can't even respect their own judiciary. Disgusting.

    What's next? Only Christians in Malaysia could use the word "God" and Jews "YHWH".
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    Without reading the story, I'm going to assume they were attacked by Jews?
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    Idiots. Christians in Lebanon use Allah, because it is an Arabic word. Gobshites.

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