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    Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Upper Egypt
    by Baron Bodissey


    Coptic Christians are a small minority in Egypt, and have always been vulnerable to the whims of the country’s rulers and the mobs of the “Muslim street”. In recent years the persecution of the Copts has grown more intense, with reports of murder, arson, looting, and forced conversions becoming more common.

    Girls as young as fifteen have been abducted, forcibly converted to Islam, and married to Muslim men, with their families being warned in no uncertain terms not to attempt to reclaim their daughters. All of this persecution occurs with at least the tacit — and sometimes active — collusion of the police and local authorities.

    In the last two days there has been a wave of violence against Copts in the village of Nagaa Hamadi in Upper Egypt. What’s interesting is that the mayhem was triggered by a rumor that a gang of Coptic men had raped a Muslim woman. This is ludicrous on the face of it — to think that a group of Christians, outnumbered a hundred-to-one by Muslims in the surrounding population, would put their entire community at risk in such a fashion. The rumor is yet another example of projection, in which Muslims generate a collective fantasy attributing to their enemies behavior to which they are all too prone themselves.

    And so the dogs of revenge were loosed, and a drive-by shooting killed at least seven people (listed as five in the earliest reports) as worshippers left a church after mass. According to ANSAmed:
    Egypt: Deaths and Injuries in Christian-Muslim Clashes

    CAIRO, JANUARY 7 — At least five Coptic Christians were killed yesterday evening in a southern Egyptian village in a shootout with Muslims, according to security sources. The attack occurred at midnight in front of a Coptic church in the Nagaa Hamadi village, 400 km south of Cairo, after the mass for the Orthodox Christmas (which falls on January 7). Churchgoers were leaving the church when armed men got out of a car and opened fire on the crowd. At least five were killed and a dozen wounded, including two Muslims passers-by. According to initial reports, the clashes started after rumours went round that a number of Christians had raped a young Muslim woman. Tension and clashes between Christians and Muslims have intensified over the past few years in Egypt. Among the most recent was a tragic case last autumn in Assiut, where a Christian circulated a video in which a young Muslim girl was expressing affection towards her boyfriend in what would be considered an inappropriate manner. Three people lost their lives when about a hundred furious Muslims engaged in stone throwing at Christian houses and shops and set fire to their cars. In another incident, clashes — with the setting fire to about twenty cars and shops — were sparked when a Christian shopkeeper accused a woman of having stolen a mobile phone and hidden it under her niqab (the Muslim veil leaving only eyes uncovered), and then pulled the latter off the woman’s face.
    This follow-up report, also from ANSAmed, details the outraged response of Christians, who staged a protest demonstration in Nagaa Hamadi the following day:
    - - - - - - - - -
    Hundreds of Christians (as many as two thousand, according to TV network al Jazeera) have gathered to demonstrate in Nagaa Hamadi, in Upper Egypt, where last night seven people were killed in an attack. The demonstration took place outside the hospital where the bodies of the victims had been taken. Demonstrators threw stones at police officers who responded using tear gas and fire hydrants. The archbishop of the Nagaa Hamadi church said that the Coptic community accuse the police of not taking seriously the numerous threats of criminals and fundamentalists. Apart from the seven deaths, including one police officer, nine people were injured in the attack carried out by Muslims against Coptic Christians at the end of the Christmas mass celebrated by the Coptic Orthodox community. According to security sources quoted by Egyptian press agency Mena, the attacker (who had two accomplices) targeted two separate groups of Christians gathered to celebrate the holiday and is said to have been identified. The security forces have imposed a curfew in the area to facilitate the hunt for those responsible.
    According to Al-Arabiya the attackers were “men believed to be Muslims”. Presumably there might have been renegade Christians — or maybe the Mossad? — who lay in wait to perform the dastardly deed in order to discredit Muslims, as happens so often these days.

    What Al-Arabiya considers most significant about the events is that “Christian Copts clash with police”, as their headline reports. Those bloodthirsty Copts couldn’t restrain themselves from attacking the Egyptian forces of law and order!
    Clashes erupted on Thursday as thousands of Coptic Christians in a southern Egyptian village gathered to bury six of their number gunned down on Coptic Christmas Eve by men believed to be Muslims, security officials said.

    Officials and the local bishop said three men in a car had raked pedestrians with gunfire along a street containing two churches and a shopping precinct late on Wednesday.

    Bishop Kirilos said the victims were people who had just emerged from church after attending a Christmas Eve service, and the proximity of the shopping area might have drawn some of them to it.

    Riots

    Six Copts and a Muslim policeman were killed, while at least nine more Copts were wounded, two of them seriously, a security official said.

    The wounded were evacuated to hospital in the nearby governorate of Sohag.

    An estimated 5,000 Copts attended Thursday’s funeral in Nagaa Hammadi, 40 miles (65 kilometers) from the popular tourist city of Luxor.

    Police said a group of protesters stoned cars as the dead were buried, and police responded with tear gas. The demonstrators chanted: “With our spirit and blood, we will sacrifice ourselves for the Cross.”

    They said Copts earlier stoned police cars and the hospital where the bodies of the six dead were held before the service, chanting: “No to repression.”

    An initial investigation reported that the gunmen opened fire as they sped along the street, killing and wounding people over a distance of 400 meters.

    As the car headed out of town the gunmen fired at a convent which also housed the bishop’s offices before fleeing to a rural area near the town in Qena governorate, 700 kilometers (435 miles) south of Cairo.

    Copts celebrate Christmas on Jan. 7 along with many other Orthodox communities around the world.

    Shooter’s identity

    Bishop Kirilos told AFP on Thursday that he saw gunmen spraying worshippers with automatic gunfire outside the archbishopric after the mass ended the previous night.

    “We concluded the mass at 11:00 pm (2100 GMT) and I was heading to the bishopric when I saw a man, in a car, open fire with an automatic rifle at Copts who were walking past the building,” Kirilos said in a phone interview.

    “The gunman then continued to fire on Copts in the streets of the town,” he said.

    Witnesses, cited by local officials, earlier said the main gunman is a Muslim wanted by police and linked the shooting to the abduction of a 12-year-old Muslim girl in November who was allegedly raped by a Coptic youth.

    “The first elements of the investigation, based on testimony of people on the ground, indicate that the main shooter is a town resident identified as Mohammed Ahmed Hussein, who is wanted by the police,” one official said.

    Kirilos also told AFP that for the past week some of his parishioners had received cell phone hate calls and threats alleging that Muslims “will avenge the rape of the girl during the Christmas celebrations.”

    Copts, who represent roughly 10 percent of Egypt’s 80-million-strong population, are the largest Christian community in the Middle East, but they frequently complain of discrimination, harassment and sectarian attacks.

    In November, hundreds of Muslim protesters torched Christian-owned shops in the town of Farshut, near Nagaa Hammadi, and attacked a police station where they believed the suspected rapist was being held.

    It was latest in a wave of sectarian tension between Muslims and Egypt’s Copts.
    “Sectarian tension” is a delicate way of phrasing what is happening — as if there were two groups of believers, equivalent in size and strength, who just happened to clash over some obscure point of doctrine.

    But this is simply the latest episode in a 1,400-year campaign of ethnic cleansing by Egyptian Muslims, who long to rid themselves of those troublesome Copts.

    This is not an aberration, nor extremism. This is the letter of Islamic law in action. Those Christians can only be suffered to live inside Dar al-Islam as long as they “pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Koran 9:29)

    By throwing stones at the police, the Copts of Nagaa Hamadi have demonstrated that they are no longer in a state of “willing submission”. Under Islamic law (Reliance of the Traveller, o11.11), they have violated the terms of the agreement that gives them their dhimmi privileges, and their status thus reverts to that of prisoners of war.

    This means that the adult males among the Copts may be slain with impunity, and their women and children may be enslaved (Reliance of the Traveller, o9.14).

    None of this is likely to happen under the current Egyptian political system — although it might be different if the Muslim Brotherhood ever succeeds in taking over the reins of power in Cairo.

    But the “Muslim street” knows these rules well, and the Copts have broken them. The prospects for the Christian population of Nagaa Hamadi do not look good.
    how long will this go on? this is just one of many assualts in the past few years as tensions rise, in fact i was just talking to a coptic family and they described the abuse they suffered by muslim hands as why they moved to america. Do you think we will see the situation calm or are they going to be forced out by muslims and we will end up with a yemeni jew situation in egypt? please keep in mind this is a discussion about coptic discrimination, have the mental fortitude to focus on the discussion at hand.
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    Too scared to post your link?

    I'll do it for you:

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

    Gates of Vienna = .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer View Post
    Too scared to post your link?

    I'll do it for you:

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

    Gates of Vienna = .
    actually i forgot, if i was ashamed of a blog that collects news sources and i tried to hide that i wouldnt have posted the author, your acting foolish to disregard a blog since it doesnt agree with your viewpoint. In fact GoV is very accurate and properly sites it sources.
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    It's another blog from Gates of Vienna. I'd take this with a large amount of salt. Especially since it states ''ethnic cleansing''.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
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    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
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    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

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    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

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    Actually I know people from Egypt, and they say Christians are not persecuted.

    Hell, I have family, whom because of her job, runs into Coptic Priests who say Christians are not persecuted in Egypt to a great degree.
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    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

    The news reports are from http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME03.XAM10205.html

    I do find it hilarious how its Christian Muslim clashes, because you know how uppity those Copts are, I'm sure they caused it
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    As I understand it rape and sexual crimes against women are also a serious problem in Egypt, generally this points to a lack of effective police.

    I have a lot of problems with the current regime in that country...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer View Post
    Actually I know people from Egypt, and they say Christians are not persecuted.

    Hell, I have family, whom because of her job, runs into Coptic Priests who say Christians are not persecuted in Egypt to a great degree.
    I have a friend in Egypt (well he is in Canada now) who says the reason Egypt works so well with Jews and Christians is that Muslims are in charge. He's obvious Muslim

    Having a friend of a friend and all that is good, but not all Copts agree http://www.copts.com/english/?cat=5
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    I find it interesting how they feel it is impossible for Christians to rape Muslims.

    And I don't have friends of friends who are Egyptian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer View Post
    I find it interesting how they feel it is impossible for Christians to rape Muslims.

    And I don't have friends of friends who are Egyptian.
    Who is they? I must have missed the insinuation that this was a strictly Islamic phenomenon.
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    Christians form 10% of the population, more than the number of muslims in my country, hardly evidence of ethnic cleansing...

    I do agree that a decent number Egyptian Muslims are very intolerant and radical.
    Often Egytian men in the west abduct their children back to Egypt leavin behind the native mothers. Although that is not that common.
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8445838.stm

    this was in the bbc too. Several coptics have been killed

    Clashes have broken out in the southern Egyptian town where seven people died in a drive-by shooting outside a church after a Coptic Christmas Eve Mass.
    Coptic Christians - who make up 10% of Egypt's 80 million population - have complained of harassment and discrimination.

    Some Copts argue that previous attacks on them have gone unpunished or have resulted in light sentences.

    Most Christians in Egypt are Copts - Christians descended from the ancient Egyptians.
    these inter religious fights are a disgrace, i hope that the coptics don't end like many other middle eastern cristian communities that were forced to emigrate due to discrimination and violence.
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    Coptic Christians are still around.....does this mean Arian Christians are still around too?


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    In the last two days there has been a wave of violence against Copts in the village of Nagaa Hamadi in Upper Egypt. What’s interesting is that the mayhem was triggered by a rumor that a gang of Coptic men had raped a Muslim woman. This is ludicrous on the face of it — to think that a group of Christians, outnumbered a hundred-to-one by Muslims in the surrounding population, would put their entire community at risk in such a fashion. The rumor is yet another example of projection, in which Muslims generate a collective fantasy attributing to their enemies behavior to which they are all too prone themselves.
    From the article...

    Yet, Muslims form less than 10% in nearly every European nation, but according to Gates of Vienna the average day of a Muslim consists of waking up, eating a Jewish baby, hate rape three women, eat a Christian baby, collect welfare check, hate rape four more women, eat the heart of a virgin, protest for sharia, sleep upside down like a bat.

    Is this a case of Ethnic Cleansing? no, its the case of sectarian violence in the third world. Ooh ahh, happens all the ing time, whether or not Christians or Muslims are involved.
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer View Post
    From the article...

    Yet, Muslims form less than 10% in nearly every European nation, but according to Gates of Vienna the average day of a Muslim consists of waking up, eating a Jewish baby, hate rape three women, eat a Christian baby, collect welfare check, hate rape four more women, eat the heart of a virgin, protest for sharia, sleep upside down like a bat.
    Yu forgot to mention the fact that they drink the menstrual blood of virgins. It's like Red Bull to them.
    Is this a case of Ethnic Cleansing? no, its the case of sectarian violence in the third world. Ooh ahh, happens all the ing time, whether or not Christians or Muslims are involved.
    This.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Aaah pickle mole, an inconclusive and inaccurate xenophobic thread guaranteed at least once a month.

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    Well, using Gates of Vienna as your news source really shows how interested one is in objective reality, but nevertheless the event in question did happen:
    Al-Jazeera
    New York Times

    In brief, the sequence of events was this:

    A Muslim girl was raped by a Christian man in Nag Hammadi in November, and some Christian business were vandalized in Muslim rioting
    On Coptic Christmas, a local bishop received a text message saying "Your turn."
    After Mass several gunmen opened fire on the worshippers with small arms, killing seven
    Local Christians gathered at the morgue and began rioting, including throwing stones at ambulances and police
    The authorities responded with water cannons to disperse the crowds
    Local police say they've identified the suspect as a known criminal, but have not made any arrests yet

    It's criminal, and deplorable, to say the least. This was an extremely violent reaction to an event that occurs everywhere in the world (itself a serious crime, but one for the state to take care of, not vigilantes). It certainly highlights the tensions surrounding the Coptic community in Egypt.
    Last edited by motiv-8; January 07, 2010 at 05:08 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Well, using Gates of Vienna as your news source really shows how interested one is in objective reality, but nevertheless the event in question did happen:
    Al-Jazeera
    New York Times

    In brief, the sequence of events was this:

    A Muslim girl was raped by a Christian man in Nag Hammadi in November
    On Coptic Christmas, a local bishop received a text message saying "Your turn."
    After Mass several gunmen opened fire on the worshippers with small arms, killing seven, while some other Christian-owned businesses were vandalized
    Local Christians gathered at the morgue and began rioting, including throwing stones at ambulances and police
    The authorities responded with water cannons to disperse the crowds
    Local police say they've identified the suspect as a known criminal, but have not made any arrests yet

    It's criminal, and deplorable, to say the least. This was an extremely violent reaction to an event that occurs everywhere in the world (itself a serious crime, but one for the state to take care of, not vigilantes). It certainly highlights the tensions surrounding the Coptic community in Egypt.
    So its sectarian violence sparked by yet another case of rape in Egypt.

    Ignoring the obvious partisan tone of the OP, I'd say this is a problem in general. One rape is bad and countries that have it happen as part of an epidemic need international scrutiny, two sectarian violence is always a problem and when a country can't prevent it that's an international problem.

    Can we all at least agree that rape and sectarianism are bad things irrespective of who belongs to what religion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Well, using Gates of Vienna as your news source really shows how interested one is in objective reality, but nevertheless the event in question did happen:
    Al-Jazeera
    New York Times

    In brief, the sequence of events was this:

    A Muslim girl was raped by a Christian man in Nag Hammadi in November, and some Christian business were vandalized in Muslim rioting
    On Coptic Christmas, a local bishop received a text message saying "Your turn."
    After Mass several gunmen opened fire on the worshippers with small arms, killing seven
    Local Christians gathered at the morgue and began rioting, including throwing stones at ambulances and police
    The authorities responded with water cannons to disperse the crowds
    Local police say they've identified the suspect as a known criminal, but have not made any arrests yet

    It's criminal, and deplorable, to say the least. This was an extremely violent reaction to an event that occurs everywhere in the world (itself a serious crime, but one for the state to take care of, not vigilantes). It certainly highlights the tensions surrounding the Coptic community in Egypt.
    And that sequence of events occured that way according to?
    Sigh...

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    Default Re: Coptics Killed in Egypt

    Quote Originally Posted by Aziel View Post
    And that sequence of events occured that way according to?
    According to how it was reported in various news outlets, two of which have been linked in the same post.

    Why?
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