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    saw this on the news a few days back;
    another lesson on why we must never underestimate the enemy:
    US spies walked into al-Qaeda's trap
    By Syed Saleem Shahzad

    ISLAMABAD - The suicide attack on the United States Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA's) forward operating base of Chapman in the Afghan province of Khost last week was planned in the Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan.

    The attacker - a handpicked plant in the Afghan National Army (ANA) - detonated his explosive vest in a gym at the base, killing seven agents, including the station chief, and wounding six. The base was officially for civilians involved in reconstruction.

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    The plan was executed following several weeks of preparation by al-Qaeda's Lashkar al-Zil (Shadow Army), Asia Times Online has learned. This was after Lashkar al-Zil's intelligence outfit informed


    its chief commander, Ilyas Kashmiri, that the CIA planned to broaden the monitoring of the possible movement of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    Well-connected sources in militant camps say that Lashkar al-Zil had become aware of the CIA's escalation of intelligence activities to gather information on high-value targets for US drone attacks. It emerged that tribesmen from Shawal and Datta Khel, in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal area, had been invited by US operatives, through middlemen, to Khost, where the operatives tried to acquire information on al-Qaeda leaders. Such activities have been undertaken in the past, but this time they were somewhat different.

    "This time there was clearly an obsession to hunt down something big in North Waziristan. But in this obsession, they [operatives] blundered and exposed the undercover CIA facility," a senior leader in al-Qaeda's 313 Brigade said. The brigade, led by Ilyas Kashmiri, comprises jihadis with extensive experience in Pakistan's Kashmir struggle with India.

    Once it became clear that efforts to track down al-Qaeda were being stepped up and that the base in Khost was being extensively used by the CIA, the Lashkar al-Zil (Brigade 055) moved into top gear. It is the soul of al-Qaeda, having being involved in several events since the September 11, 2001, attacks on the US. Under the command of Ilyas Kashmiri, its intelligence network's coordination with its special guerrilla action force has changed the dynamics of the Afghan war theater. Instead of traditional guerrilla warfare in which the Taliban have taken most of the casualties, the brigade has resorted to special operations, the one on the CIA base being the latest and one of the most successful.

    Lashkar al-Zil comprises the Pakistani Taliban, 313 Brigade, the Afghan Taliban, Hezb-e-Islami Afghanistan and former Iraqi Republican Guards. It has taken on special significance since the US announcement of a 30,000 troop surge in Afghanistan, due to kick into action this week.

    Leaders of the Lashkar al-Zil now knew that CIA operatives were trying to recruit reliable tribal people from Afghanistan so that the latter could develop an effective intelligence network along the border with North Waziristan's Shawal and Datta Khel regions, where high-profile al-Qaeda leaders often move around.

    Laskhar al-Zil then laid its trap.

    Over the past months, using connections in tribal structures and ties with former commanders of the Taliban and the Hezb-e-Islami Afghanistan, the militants have planted a large number of men in the ANA.

    One of these plants, an officer, was now called into action. He contacted US personnel in Khost and told them he was linked to a network in the tribal areas and that he had information on where al-Qaeda would hold its shura (council) in North Waziristan and on the movement of al-Qaeda leaders.

    The ANA officer was immediately invited to the CIA base in Khost to finalize a joint operation of Predator drones and ground personnel against these targets.

    Once inside, he set off his bomb, with deadly results.

    "It's a devastating blow," Times Online quoted Michael Scheuer as saying. "[Among others] we lost an agent with 14 years' experience in Afghanistan." Scheuer is a former head of Alec Station, the unit created to monitor bin Laden five years before the attacks of September 11.

    Unlike the Taliban's mostly rag-tag army, Laskhar al-Zil is a sophisticated unit, with modern equipment such as night-vision technology, the latest light weapons and finely honed guerrilla tactics. It has a well-funded intelligence department, much like the Hezb-e-Islami Afghanistan had during the resistance against the Soviets in the 1980s when it had access to advance information on the movement of the Red Army.

    However, Laskhar al-Zil is one step ahead of the Hezb's former intelligence outfit in that it has been able to plant men in the ANA, and these "soldiers" are now at the forefront of al-Qaeda-led sabotage activities in Afghanistan.

    In addition, a large number of senior government officials both in the capital, Kabul, and in the provinces are sympathetic to the Hezb-e-Islami Afghanistan, and, by extension, to the Taliban. Similarly, several former top Taliban commanders have been given responsibilities by the central government in district areas, and as the insurgency has grown, these former militants have been increasingly useful to the Taliban-led insurgency.

    In sum, the US troop surge, coupled with increased US efforts to track down al-Qaeda, has resulted in a shift in southeastern Afghanistan. There has been hardly any uprising against foreign troops in which the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) could hit the Taliban hard. The insurgents now select specific targets for the most effective outcome, such as the spy base in Khost - it took just one insurgent's life for the "devastating" result.

    Consequently, for the first time in the many years that Afghanistan has been at war, the winter season is hot. Last October, the US withdrew its troops from its four key bases in Nuristan, on the border with Pakistan, leaving the northeastern province as a safe haven for the Taliban, under the command of Qari Ziaur Rahman. Kurangal Valley in Kunar province is heavily under siege and Taliban attacks on US bases there could see US forces pulling back from Kunar as well.

    And in the meantime, Lashkar al-Zil can be expected to be planning more strikes of its own.

    Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com
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    source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LA05Df01.html
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    This sure lights a fire under the Ass of our Intelligence community. Precautions should be made, and I'm surprised they were not in place to prevent a plant from doing this.

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    these ppl certainly took a major risk meeting this guy but i suppose that's how they do it; how they needed to interrogate him in order to get firsthand intelligence.

    my condolences to the families of the men killed and maimed

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    I used to think Christopher Hitchens was just blowing hot air about the CIA but after a number of incidents of which this is the latest, perhaps he's got a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    I used to think Christopher Hitchens was just blowing hot air about the CIA but after a number of incidents of which this is the latest, perhaps he's got a point.
    I'm sensing a bit of underpants gnomes in your logic tree here.

    CIA gets double crossed and some agents die.
    ???
    Disband the CIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    I'm sensing a bit of underpants gnomes in your logic tree here.
    I put it through Babelfish and came up with nothing, sorry.

    CIA gets double crossed and some agents die.
    ???
    Disband the CIA.
    Except I never said that. I said perhaps he had a point, not 'I whole-heartedly agree with everything Hitchens says'. They had an appalling security lapse letting an (apparently unscreened) guy enter a gym with numerous agents and the Station Chief in. Jesus Christ what were they thinking?

    As for the 'When they get it right nobody hears about it' well whoop-de-do they did their job they get billions of dollars in funding for. They provide National security intel not racing tips. It's also a conveniant way for them to deflect criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    I put it through Babelfish and came up with nothing, sorry.
    You should have used google.

    Underpants Gnomes

    Except I never said that. I said perhaps he had a point, not 'I whole-heartedly agree with everything Hitchens says'. They had an appalling security lapse letting an (apparently unscreened) guy enter a gym with numerous agents and the Station Chief in. Jesus Christ what were they thinking?
    His point was the CIA should be disbanded, you said perhaps he has a point, and then thats not your point?

    They made a mistake, mistakes happen, being we don't know the exact circumstances you can arm chair agent all you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    You should have used google.

    Underpants Gnomes
    Don't watch it.

    His point was the CIA should be disbanded, you said perhaps he has a point, and then thats not your point?
    His conclusions are extreme (as they always are) but it was written at a time when there was trouble at the top (the Goss-Negroponte thing, Heydon being the overseer of the warrantless wiretapping surveillance controversy whilst at the NSA, Tenet admitting deliberate lying to Congress and coluding to decieve the american people about WMD's to sell the war against Iraq, minor things like that. As I said, this is just the latest incident one which demonstrates a (perhaps arrogance is too strong a word) overconfidence of the Intelligence services in thinking they have turned a former extremist. Hitchens for the most part points out perfectly valid criticisms of the CIA, which hamper their reputation and effectiveness, but as it is this incident seems to demonstrate over-confidence at the operational level.

    They made a mistake, mistakes happen,
    Forgetting to sign a cheque is a mistake, this was shocking negligence. This will hamper the fight against Al-qaeda in Afghanistan and give it a significant boon in the process. Hard to say in the long term what the effect will be.

    being we don't know the exact circumstances you can arm chair agent all you like.
    So they didn't let a guy who up to a year before had been arrested for extremist views in a compound with six agents, the Station Chief, a cousin of Abdullah II amongst others near to a building completely unchecked? I don't need to be James Bond to see the flaw in that.

    Indeed we don't know all the facts, but my source on the ground in Khost has gone on vacation...
    'When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything. '

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    I used to think Christopher Hitchens was just blowing hot air about the CIA but after a number of incidents of which this is the latest, perhaps he's got a point.
    He had me when he quoted Mr. Tenet's comments on 9-11, "Gee I hope its not those guys in the flight schools in the Midwest."

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    I found myself within a forest dark,
    For the straightforward pathway had been lost." Dante Alighieri

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    Syed Saleem Shahzad
    This bloke seems to know so much about them, and use such professional sounding words for them, including brigade numbers, names of various units, and is obviously such a fanboy for their professionalism, a propagandist to boot, perhaps he should be next on the list for extraordinary rendition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    This bloke seems to know so much about them, and use such professional sounding words for them, including brigade numbers, names of various units, and is obviously such a fanboy for their professionalism, a propagandist to boot, perhaps he should be next on the list for extraordinary rendition.
    how was that article propaganda? The articles i read in the Times and Guardian seemed more fan-boyish than this. Besides he's reporter that has a few years experience in that whole tribal area and has actually helped to facilitate the release of several foreign contractors that were being held by the Taliban.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    how was that article propaganda? The articles i read in the Times and Guardian seemed more fan-boyish than this. Besides he's reporter that has a few years experience in that whole tribal area and has actually helped to facilitate the release of several foreign contractors that were being held by the Taliban.
    Pretty sure boof is trolling there. I dont think he's enough of a douchebag to call quality journalism terrorist propaganda and call the writer a terrorist mostly on the basis of his name.

    I'm never going to be upset over dead CIA agents. It would be nice if AQ relegated themselves to this kind of attack exclusively, though. CIA uses a drone to bomb some AQ operatives and AQ retaliates with a "drone" bombing of its own on CIA agents. Stop handing the West propaganda victories with all the civilian casualties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    how was that article propaganda? The articles i read in the Times and Guardian seemed more fan-boyish than this. Besides he's reporter that has a few years experience in that whole tribal area and has actually helped to facilitate the release of several foreign contractors that were being held by the Taliban.
    Really?

    If he can talk to them he's one of them. You know that.

    I dont think he's enough of a douchebag to call quality journalism terrorist propaganda
    Quality journalism? Give me a ing break. This guy is a terrorist fanboy. ''Quality journalism'' would make them appear the nameless, bearded, complete wits that they are. Don't give me that tosh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Really?

    If he can talk to them he's one of them. You know that.
    come, come now, boofy lol
    not all journos are spies for the enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    come, come now, boofy lol
    not all journos are spies for the enemy.
    Just left wing journalists.

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    A win, for sure.

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    "Al Qaeda".

    This entity is again being portrayed as an organization. If anything, the guy was a "Taliban".
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    i've come to view the CIA as bipolar. Either they are REALLY good and get the job done. or they REALLY REALLY suck and lots of people die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husker9.2 View Post
    i've come to view the CIA as bipolar. Either they are REALLY good and get the job done. or they REALLY REALLY suck and lots of people die.
    Only intelligence failures make the news. The rest of the time you don't get to know about the successes.

    As to this being a failure, was it? Every company, every military, every government has to trust employees and contacts, and some of them let us down. This guy let them down in a very big way and they lost some of their top people. It doesn't mean they did anything wrong - if their are lessons to be learnt they'll learn them. But being a traitor or double-agent is not something anyone no matter how competent can guard against.

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    When they do the job well, you don't hear about it.

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