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    Vitaly Khripun: "I went to serve, not to engage in lawlessness"




    The third and most recent deserter has caused a new round of information war between Georgia and Russia. It's been two days since Vitaly Khripun's transition to the Georgian side, the circumstances of which the Club of Experts reported on the 21st of December, , but the media still has not overcome the confusion of initial reports of television and news agencies. Against this background, we offer an exclusive interview with the warrant officer of FSB, who itself speaks about reasons for his decision.

    - Vitaly, please tell us about yourself and answer a question: how do you come to Georgia?

    I was born in April 11th, 1984 in Poltava region. I lived in Murmansk, where my family - mother, 7-year-old half-sister and stepfather still live. Also there I was called up for the army. After the service I worked in a private firm, on a fishing boat. When there the war happened in South Ossetia, they were saying on TV that it was an attack on Russia and that Russia was protecting small Ossetian people, and I decided that I should go there to defend a just cause. Also information was that service in hot spots was well paid, and I was attracted by an opportunity to make a career. I consulted with my uncle, FSB Colonel Igor Grishenko, and he helped me to enroll for special courses. We were being prepared and tested for four months, and then we received appointment. I became a warrant officer and an instructor of reconnaissance groups.

    - Is this a contract service?

    - Yes, it is a contract service. I was supposed to serve in South Ossetia for two years and after that I would have received a right to request a transfer to another place. Pay was good - over one thousand dollars. They said that I would be promoted and promised good prospects.

    - When did you come to the conflict zone?

    On December 6th I arrived in Tskhinvali, and from there I was sent to Sinaguri. We lived in Sinaguri but served on the outpost in Perevi. When I was coming, I did not know that it was a territory of Georgia. I thought that I would be defending South Ossetia and Russia.

    - What influenced your position?

    - Locals helped to understand. There is a mixed population around there - Georgians and Ossetians. From them I found out that we are in Georgia, that the whole of South Ossetia is also Georgia. I was surprised when I heard this not only from Georgians, but also from Ossetians. Generally, I did not expect at all to see a situation that I encountered there. You can feel that there is a bad attitude towards us - Russian soldiers. Especially on the part of Ossetians, because they feel that they are masters and, unlike Georgians, they have plenty of weapons. Georgians might even feed sometimes whereas you should be more careful with Ossetians. Though neither of them likes us. No one can be trusted. All the time in a state of alert. Guys are always tense, they often lose temper. Nobody wants to serve there. Everyone thinks how to leave.

    - Can you talk about specific incidents?

    - I have not witnessed any fight. General atmosphere is bad. We were forced to humiliate local population, abuse them, extort money, and not let them move around. If they were carrying something - food or firewood – we should have made them pay for carriage. Commanders demanded this. We were told to keep locals in check, no easing up on them. And if someone protested then we should have used force immediately, and if necessary, shoot to kill. There is no law, and you cannot protest. When I objected, I was threatened. They said: "Stay quiet and do whatever you are told otherwise we have a lot of extra rounds of ammunition ...".

    - This was the reason for your escape?

    - Yes. I came to serve, not to engage in lawlessness. Why can not everything to be honest, according the law? When you blew up the monument, our officers got very angry and demanded stricter attitude towards the population. This was the last straw for me. I have long thought about this and decided that the best thing would be to leave. At night left the outpost, walked towards the Georgian post and surrendered.

    - What do you think about your fate?

    - We have been told that there is order in Georgia. I heard that two soldiers who have gone before me are settled normally. I want to live in a country where there is no corruption, where the laws are respected. In Tbilisi, I was explained my rights and I have applied for political asylum. This issue is being solved together with the UN. I hope that I will not be given up to Russia. Everything is over for me there - and career and everything. If I get in their hands my life will be impossible. Maybe someday I can return, but not now. Here, I was promised benefits and help with getting work. I have a technical education and I can work so I will be able to earn a living.

    Tuesday, December 22, 2009

    Russian soldier asks for asylum in Georgia


    #fullpost{display:none;}The soldier of the Russian occupant army stationed in the village of Perevi, Sachkhere district, Georgia, has escaped from his unit. Dmitry Khrikhev asks Georgian government for asylum.

    The soldier met with the Minister of Refugees of Georgia to explain the reasons of his decision and ask for help.

    This is the third soldier of the Russian army since last year, who has abandoned the place of dislocation and asked Georgia for political asylum. Sergeant Glukhov was the first who escaped from the army and since then he lives in Georgia. He complained about unbearable conditions in the army and mistreat from his commanders. Sergeant Artemiev was the second to abandon the division.

    The Ministry of Refugees and Resettlement will begin discussion of the Russian soldier`s application today. Dmitry Khripun, 25, asked for asylum yesterday at a Georgian police station near the village of Perevi, which has been occupied by Russian military units since last year`s five-day military conflict between Russia and Georgia.

    Georgian authorities immediately transferred Khripun to Tbilisi, where Migration Minister Koba Subeliani met with him.

    Khripun told journalists after the meeting that his decision to ask for political asylum was morally motivated. He said was unable `to stand the current lawlessness in South Ossetia any longer.`

    Khripun is the third soldier who has fled Russian occupant army and asked political asylum in Georgia.

    Georgian authorities say the required procedures will take four months to determine the status of a refugee to the Russian soldier.

    Sunday, December 13, 2009

    Ok, this case highly differs from the other two ones, but the thing is, I don't get, why not every Russian soldier just leaves the army to start living in Georgia. This guy in fact was member of an occupation force. He did not serve in South-Ossetia, but at a russian checkpoint within Georgian territory. If the reports about abusement, like Khripun claims here are not just contrived by the Georgian government, but reality, than they just match the "facts" you hear from people who daily get detained by Russian forces or armed Ossetians or are forced to leave their homes. Despite the tensions growing there, Russian soldiers do not have the right to command around the local population and freely abuse them.
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    This is a typical propaganda article if I've ever seen one.

    You can't say who's worse, Russians or Ossetians, but good old Georgians run a country with no corruption and will save anyone they can. Georgia is god-given escape for Russian soldiers! Maybe they should save all million of them.
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    I wonder how long it'll be before he gets 'mysteriously' poisoned.

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    A Murmansk fisherman talking about how bad lawlessness is? The irony. Maybe he should've started by sorting out the Murmansk fishers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    I wonder how long it'll be before he gets 'mysteriously' poisoned.
    It's tricky to poison people who don't exist, but I'm sure our guys will find a way.

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    even if i didn't believe in my nation's cause it would still take a lot for me to actually take arms against it.

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    Sure. Can you prove that he doesn't exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger Danske View Post
    Sure. Can you prove that he doesn't exist?
    Hard to prove a negative.

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    This guy has allready been officialy declared as traitor and deserteer by the Russian Federation.

    I really wish him best, Propaganda or not. Political decision or not.

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    Hoho, it really paints russia in a bad light, georgian military fired artillery and tank shells on south ossetian citizens, whereas russian soldiers extorted money from georgian citizens, oh the humanity!

    Oh well, soldiers have to make money some way, they dont get paid much for risking there life nowadays, remember back in ancient times soldiers got paid extra with slaves and loot ? Well i guess this was there modern way of making money on the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Hoho, it really paints russia in a bad light, georgian military fired artillery and tank shells on south ossetian citizens, whereas russian soldiers extorted money from georgian citizens, oh the humanity!

    Oh well, soldiers have to make money some way, they dont get paid much for risking there life nowadays, remember back in ancient times soldiers got paid extra with slaves and loot ? Well i guess this was there modern way of making money on the side.
    Russian military fired artillery, tank shells, cluster ammunition, ATG missiles, short range ballistic missiles etc on Georgian and Ossetian citizen. Sounds partly like BS right ? Exactly the same partly BS like the phrase :
    georgian military fired artillery and tank shells on south ossetian citizens
    But oh .... wait, the Russians DID use cluster ammunition, ATG missiles from fighter jets and even short range ballistic missiles to target populated areas ..... sorry.

    Well Georgian forces are not in South Ossetia and looting around like the armed Ossetians and maybe even also the Russians do and I doubt that they ever would, since they also did not during the war, where at the same time there were no signs of human behaviour from the armed Ossetian seperatists. Instead, they destroyed or burned down entire villages, starting with single city appartements even before the GAF reached Tskhinvali. Georgian villages were also devestated by Russian artillery fire. Further, since 2008, nobody has an idea, what happened to all the other 160 georgian villages in the occupied area. Everyone assumes, that looting there is on going like nowhere else on eath. Some 800 Georgian civilians are still missing.
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    even if i didn't believe in my nation's cause it would still take a lot for me to actually take arms against it.
    He's not taking up arms against Russia.

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    Sounds like Georgia had enough money to bribe one Russian soldier (or maybe not a soldier at all). Too bad Saakashvili is still playing in Napoleon instead of concentrating on his country's issues.

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    You wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    You wish.
    You think they didn't pay him yet? Or they promised to pay him, but then "forgot"? That sucks for him. Apparently playing a deserting soldier talking about imaginary atrocities doesn't really pay off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    You think they didn't pay him yet? Or they promised to pay him, but then "forgot"? That sucks for him. Apparently playing a deserting soldier talking about imaginary atrocities doesn't really pay off.
    What evidence do you have to suggest he was bribed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    What evidence do you have to suggest he was bribed?
    He talks about Russia in a negative way. What more evidence do you need?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    What evidence do you have to suggest he was bribed?
    He talks about stuff that wasn't "noticed" even by those media outlets, that were most critical of Russia's actions in 2008. Thats why I think that he is either lying, or not who he claims he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    You think they didn't pay him yet? Or they promised to pay him, but then "forgot"? That sucks for him. Apparently playing a deserting soldier talking about imaginary atrocities doesn't really pay off.
    He never said russia was involved in atrocities, he was just saying how currupt they are and how currupt their "war" is. We all know that russia didnt fight for abkhazians and south ossetians, they want land and to push NATO back.
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    But you still don't have any proof, so why make the claim he was bribed? (Apart from the obvious reasons.)
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