Late era Golden horde

[Vanillamarine]

greetings,

is it everytime that the golden horde is simply UNSTOPPABLE and gets multiple full stacks pretty much each turn?!

I wonder what I am doing wrong, these bastards seem to get stacks out of nowhere and I have absolutely no desire to play against an AI that has unlimited imba stacks.

Does anyone know wether they get stacks every turn or if there is a limit to their stack-spawning mechanics? Do they even have to rely on cities/castles, because I have seem them lose their stuff to rebellions but STILL they get more stacks out of nowhere ... what the heck is wrong with this?

It is alright that they have a huge invading force but come on, these guys are freaking zerging the out of persia and up to andalusia no problem.

[Mr. Tornado]

Just wait. The Timurids will come, and then you'll have much more to worry about when they start devouring the Mongol Empire whole.

[Vanillamarine]

It is still totally unrealistic that these dudes have an endless reservoir of stacks ...

EDIT: Its no fun at all fighting an AI that cheats THAT much, they cheat already but that is way too much, makes playing seljuk/khwarezmian/cuman really NO fun at all.

[Larsel]

It is still totally unrealistic that these dudes have an endless reservoir of stacks ...

EDIT: Its no fun at all fighting an AI that cheats THAT much, they cheat already but that is way too much, makes playing seljuk/khwarezmian/cuman really NO fun at all.

Actually its not unrealistic because back then the mongols DID have "endless" amount of extremely good soldiers. Thats why "horde" is in their faction name.
And to be fair its not that hard to beat them even on the hardest settings possible if you use good tactics

[Stario]

Just wait. The Timurids will come, and then you'll have much more to worry about when they start devouring the Mongol Empire whole.

Just a bit of trivia. It is nevertheless interesting to me that the Timurids are the descendants of the original Mongolian armies of Genghis Khan. This is not too dissimilar to the story of the Roman Empire and Byzantine empire.

[ShockBlast]

Just a bit of trivia. It is nevertheless interesting to me that the Timurids are the descendants of the original Mongolian armies of Genghis Khan. This is not too dissimilar to the story of the Roman Empire and Byzantine empire.

Except there was no such this as a ''Byzantine'' Empire.

[Andytheplatypus]

Except there was no such this as a ''Byzantine'' Empire.

Actually there was. But only in that the name came to exist after the actual eastern roman empire fell in 1453

[ShockBlast]

Actually there was. But only in that the name came to exist after the actual eastern roman empire fell in 1453

No there wasn't,the name was just an historical mistake,the Eastern Roman Empire become the Roman Empire when the Weastern Roman Empire fell and it was known like that unil the fall of Constantinople.

This was debated 1000s of times, it was the Roman Empire and they saw themseleves as such so there is no need to bastardise history with invented names.

[Nightbringer]

i just want to know if it is literally unlimited or is it just that they get many many stacks

[Caesar Clivus]

greetings,

is it everytime that the golden horde is simply UNSTOPPABLE and gets multiple full stacks pretty much each turn?!

I wonder what I am doing wrong, these bastards seem to get stacks out of nowhere and I have absolutely no desire to play against an AI that has unlimited imba stacks.

Does anyone know wether they get stacks every turn or if there is a limit to their stack-spawning mechanics? Do they even have to rely on cities/castles, because I have seem them lose their stuff to rebellions but STILL they get more stacks out of nowhere ... what the heck is wrong with this?

It is alright that they have a huge invading force but come on, these guys are freaking zerging the out of persia and up to andalusia no problem.

What version of SS are you playing? Are you using any submods?

[Loose Cannon]

The fix for this ic coming soon. For now, you can go to maps/campaign/custom/Late_Era_Campaign/custom_script and using Notepad++, comment out ( lines 6648 to 6768. Then start a new campaign.

Edit I meant ; not that smilie

[Balbor]

The fix for this ic coming soon. For now, you can go to maps/campaign/custom/Late_Era_Campaign/custom_script and using Notepad++, comment out ( lines 6648 to 6768. Then start a new campaign.

Edit I meant ; not that smilie

is that this bit?

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if I_EventCounter DifficultyLevel >= 3
spawn_army
faction mongols
character random_name, named character, age 25, x 498, y 157, label mongols4gen, family
traits Supplies 1 , Turnsaway 3 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , MilitaryInclination 1 , Military_Edu 2 , GoodCommander 2 , ReligionStarter 1
unit Keshikten Bodyguard exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Disamounted Turhagut exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Disamounted Turhagut exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Disamounted Turhagut exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Khabutu Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Khabutu Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Khabutu Archers exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Nukeri Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Nukeri Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Turhagut Lancers exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Turhagut Lancers exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoschuchi Lancers exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoschuchi Lancers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit ME Trebuchet exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit ME Trebuchet exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
end
end_if

[Loose Cannon]

is that this bit?

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if I_EventCounter DifficultyLevel >= 3
spawn_army
faction mongols
character random_name, named character, age 25, x 498, y 157, label mongols4gen, family
traits Supplies 1 , Turnsaway 3 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , MilitaryInclination 1 , Military_Edu 2 , GoodCommander 2 , ReligionStarter 1
unit Keshikten Bodyguard exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Disamounted Turhagut exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Disamounted Turhagut exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Disamounted Turhagut exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Khabutu Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Khabutu Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Khabutu Archers exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Nukeri Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Nukeri Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Turhagut Lancers exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Turhagut Lancers exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoschuchi Lancers exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoschuchi Lancers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Hoshiga Horse Archers exp 4 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit ME Trebuchet exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit ME Trebuchet exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
end
end_if

No, it's this

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monitor_event PreFactionTurnStart FactionType mongols
and not FactionIsLocal

if I_SettlementOwner Urgench = mongols
create_unit Urgench, Mongol Foot Archers, num 1, exp 3, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Urgench, Mongol Horse Archers, num 2, exp 2, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Urgench, Mongol Light Lancers, num 1, exp 4, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Urgench, AS Trebuchet, num 2, exp 5, arm 0, wep 0
add_money mongols 2000
end_if

if I_SettlementOwner Khiva = mongols
create_unit Khiva, Mongol Infantry, num 1, exp 2, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Khiva, Mongol Horse Archers, num 1, exp 2, arm 0, wep 0
add_money mongols 1000
end_if

if I_SettlementOwner Konjikala = mongols
create_unit Konjikala, Mongol Foot Archers, num 1, exp 3, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Konjikala, Mongol Horse Archers, num 2, exp 4, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Konjikala, Mongol Heavy Lancers, num 1, exp 4, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Konjikala, AS Catapult, num 1, exp 4, arm 0, wep 0
add_money mongols 2000
end_if

if I_SetlementOwner Embi = mongols
create_unit Embi, Mongol Foot Archers, num 1, exp 2, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Embi, Mongol Infantry, num 1, exp 2, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Embi, Mongol Horse Archers, num 2, exp 4, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Embi, AS Catapult, num 1, exp 4, arm 0, wep 0
add_money mongols 1000
end_if

if I_EventCounter DifficultyLevel >= 2
if I_SettlementOwner Jaiksk = mongols
create_unit Jaiksk, Mongol Infantry, num 1, exp 1, arm 0, wep 0
create_unit Jaiksk, Mongol Horse Archers, num 2, exp 3, arm 0, wep 0
add_money mongols 1000
end_if
end_if

and there's a bit more after these lines about 130 lines altogether. Put a ; in front of each and you'll only face the starting 6 stacks and the 5 bonus stacks (turn 6) of the Mongols. Plus whatever they build normally.

[DeliCiousTZM]

is there timuriuds in SS 6.1 ?

[Caesar Clivus]

is there timuriuds in SS 6.1 ?

No only in the RR/RC compilation submod.

[Stephan de St. Omer]

No only in the RR/RC compilation submod.

Instead of which faction?

[mfdoom]

Instead of which faction?

The Irish

[Saint_of_Battle]

Mongols cheating with unlimited imba stacks? vindaloo(cheat) em!! xD

[threealls]

greetings,

is it everytime that the golden horde is simply UNSTOPPABLE and gets multiple full stacks pretty much each turn?!

I wonder what I am doing wrong, these bastards seem to get stacks out of nowhere and I have absolutely no desire to play against an AI that has unlimited imba stacks.

Does anyone know wether they get stacks every turn or if there is a limit to their stack-spawning mechanics? Do they even have to rely on cities/castles, because I have seem them lose their stuff to rebellions but STILL they get more stacks out of nowhere ... what the heck is wrong with this?

It is alright that they have a huge invading force but come on, these guys are freaking zerging the out of persia and up to andalusia no problem.

do you play 6.2 version ?

[Gogolometro]

In my opinion mongols are a bit few and weak. Imagine mongols reach in real histrory Hungary, Moravia and Poland. Russians payed them tribute. The Baiazid Idirim, sultan of turks lost his empire in face of Gengis khan. Only after many years the after fall of east, egiptian mameluks stoped their expansion. I will like to see mongol stacks starting with only horse archers and faster expansion.