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    A Federal judge today (12-31-09) dismissed all charges against Blackwater contractors for the killing of Iraqis in a shootout in Bagdad on September 16, 2007. The men--Paul Slough Evan Liberty, Dustin Heard, Donald Ball and Nicholas Slatten--were charged with manslaughter and faced up to 30 years in prison. You can read the details in the court's decision by clicking here. A summary can be read by clicking here.

    The heart of this case is governmental bungling of the investigation, and specifically its violating of the Fifth Amendment rights of the defendants. They were forced to give evidence which they were told would not be used to prosecute them but then the government turnaround and prosecuted them anyway. The judge excoriated the prosecutors for how they handled the case.

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    We are delighted with the outcome of this case. These men should never have been prosecuted in the first place and anyone who reads the facts as contained in the judge's decision, we think, would come to that conclusion.

    These men were under contract with the U. S. State Department to provide security to American officials in Iraq. Most were highly trained ex-special forces soldiers. They responded to a site in Bagdad after receiving a call that a vehicle-bomb had gone off near the Green Zone they were hired to protect. When they arrived on site they were approached by a vehicle (white Kia) that refused to stop after being flagged to do so. Even after the driver was shot another man began pushing the car toward their position. The men testified they assumed the vehicle was another car bomb and that was the reason they attempted to stop the car. The convoy also came under fire from the surrounding area. Forensic evidence confirmed this.

    In short, these men were doing their job and were attacked by insurgents in a dangerous area of Bagdad. They eliminated the enemy threat. For that our government prosecuted them.

    We think this incident is but another example of how enforcing criminal laws on a battlefield is simply foolish. We suspect the same outcome from the trial of the Navy SEALS that is currently pending. And we view it as the same debacle as the investigations of the interrogators of the terrorists at Gitmo.

    When criminal prosecutors force American soldiers (uniformed or contracted) to give accurate reports of battle incidents we do not think it appropriate for that compelled testimony to then be used to prosecute our soldiers.

    This business of lawyers getting involved in combat battles and second guessing the decision that our soldiers have to make has reached the point of absurdity.

    Fortunately this judge put a stop to this mockery.

    But it should not end there. These men no doubt have suffered tremendously as a result of this prosecution, including probably what are astronomical legal fees. We don't believe they should have to bear that burden while these prosecutors and investigators simply walk away. The prosecutors should have to pay for the soldiers legal bills and they should then be prosecuted themselves.

    This foolishness has got to stop.


    Interesting, the government first used testimony they were not allowed to, and secondly it still points to Blackwater acting appropriately.

    The Blackwater attorney now wants to turn on the federal government to pay for this idiocy as well (though good luck with that).

    Personally I think its time that we accept blackwater or whatever they call themselves now for what they are, Americas Foreign legion, doing jobs we want done, not in our name.
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    Fine, but does this relate with gaming??
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    Fine, but does this relate with gaming??
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    Laugh, never leave your 2 year old at the keyboard,


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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Fine, but does this relate with gaming??
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    Personally I think its time that we accept blackwater or whatever they call themselves now for what they are, Americas Foreign legion, doing jobs we want done, not in our name.
    The way American public is intentionally educated-stupid by news media in matters of warfare and international treaties, it may be the only practicable solution for the US to defeat insurgencies in the long term. Unfortunately.

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    non-sense american public choses twice a war criminal as President and american judges can state a company innocent whose own employees allege it for weapons smuggling, murder of iraqis and own employees and with maniac crusader mentality, Iraqi govt. still want to try them in their country for what those beasts done and you are saying that we should accept them as they do what americans want, but this world is not happy with what you want so keep these beasts in your country and don't send them any where to bite people when they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    non-sense american public choses twice a war criminal as President and american judges can state a company innocent whose own employees allege it for weapons smuggling, murder of iraqis and own employees and with maniac crusader mentality, Iraqi govt. still want to try them in their country for what those beasts done and you are saying that we should accept them as they do what americans want, but this world is not happy with what you want so keep these beasts in your country and don't send them any where to bite people when they want.
    1. Bush is not a war criminal.

    2. Blackwater was exonerated of the "biting", as it was proven that even after the driver was eliminated others attempted to push the vehicle forward, the clear signs of a car bomb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevins View Post
    1. Bush is not a war criminal.

    2. Blackwater was exonerated of the "biting", as it was proven that even after the driver was eliminated others attempted to push the vehicle forward, the clear signs of a car bomb.
    I saw even American being apologetic of black water and it's crimes are so open and proved but fact is that muslims lives are not even as important as some worm's life to you people, america killed 786 in Pakistan in drone attacks only 14 of them were alleged alqaeda, and bush was not a war criminal? biggest joke of 2010 yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    I saw even American being apologetic of black water and it's crimes are so open and proved but fact is that muslims lives are not even as important as some worm's life to you people, america killed 786 in Pakistan in drone attacks only 14 of them were alleged alqaeda, and bush was not a war criminal? biggest joke of 2010 yet.
    I'll consider him being a war criminal a possibility when people consider his actions bad enough that its worth doing more than grandstanding about him being a war criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevins View Post
    1. Bush is not a war criminal.
    Depends on your definition of war criminal.

    Since he started a war based on lies to his own people (WMD), and allowed captured enemy soldiers be not-exactly-tortured because they may be terrorists instead of just enemy combatants although they were in their country, he counts as one in my book.
    He should be sent to prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Personally I think its time that we accept blackwater or whatever they call themselves now for what they are, Americas Foreign legion, doing jobs we want done, not in our name.
    That or get competent prosecutors that won't try to use testimony they're not allowed to as evidence.
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    Didn't one of the accused mercenaries say that he did in fact shoot an Iraqi civilian?

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    One of them, but stuff happens

    Personally, this stuff about the moral dilimea of using mercanaries to fight islamist extremists is some poltical correctness BS in the extreme

    AQ and there ilk dosen't even try to minimize civilan causlties and they commit other atrocietes like large scale drug production and they spread hate among mulsims for the west and they make the west hate Islam

    Though I do not support the war in iraq, blackwater and other mercs are a nesscary evil to fight AQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_General View Post
    One of them, but stuff happens

    Personally, this stuff about the moral dilimea of using mercanaries to fight islamist extremists is some poltical correctness BS in the extreme

    AQ and there ilk dosen't even try to minimize civilan causlties and they commit other atrocietes like large scale drug production and they spread hate among mulsims for the west and they make the west hate Islam

    Though I do not support the war in iraq, blackwater and other mercs are a nesscary evil to fight AQ
    Oh yeah, the silly old monopoly on violence is sooo PC, but actually just political and correct.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    So, America should stoop to Al Qaeda's level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    So, America should stoop to Al Qaeda's level?
    No, but PMCs can go places and do things that the American army can't

    It would be better though if PMCs and stuff worked closer with the CIA and there operations department, you know like have the sort of stuff we did in the start of the Afgan war supported by PMCs and stuff

    Anyway, with the stuff that the CIA and special forces do, it wouldn't be much worse to add in PMCs to have the denyabilty and stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_General View Post
    No, but PMCs can go places and do things that the American army can't

    It would be better though if PMCs and stuff worked closer with the CIA and there operations department, you know like have the sort of stuff we did in the start of the Afgan war supported by PMCs and stuff

    Anyway, with the stuff that the CIA and special forces do, it wouldn't be much worse to add in PMCs to have the denyabilty and stuff
    Using mercenaries is not a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    Using mercenaries is not a good thing.
    Better then using youg americans who have no idea what they are getting into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War lord View Post
    Better then using youg americans who have no idea what they are getting into.
    You have heard of the concepts of "volunteer army" and "training" haven't you?

    And no, soldiers that answer to a corporation and are motivated by money have never been, are not, and never will be "better" in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War lord View Post
    Better then using youg americans who have no idea what they are getting into.
    Machiavelli, and Motiv's post, respectfully disagree.

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