Truce

[kelvintyk]

I find myself unable to have a ceasefire with an empire state I am at war with, however the AI is able to do so. Now, my question is, why can't my diplomats enter negotiations with fellow empire factions I am at war with? Cause I don't wanna destroy any empire states.

[Werebear]

why you at war with them?

[kelvintyk]

why you at war with them?

Well the Theogonist called a crusade to Drakenhof....somehow then Nordland made Sylvania their vassals....
Since other crusading factions attaced Sylvania, they broke their alliance with Nordland and so did I. 7 turns later, Nordland turned and send 2 stacks to attack me at Middenheim. I lost it, rebuilt and counterattacked. Now they are left with 2 cities and I don't wanna destroy them. Yet I can't get a ceasefire with them either.

[Warmaster Tibs]

I see why some factions cant talk with eachother for obvious reasons but shouldent Sylvania be able to talk with people? They have some normal humans under the survices(according to their roster but I dont know why) and in the Storm of chaos I could see them allying with the Empire to fight of chaos.

[Vaz]

No. Sylvania has Human levies that fight under the banner of their Vampire Lords through fear. Whether other factions believe the tales of the walking dead and vampirism, or not as is usually the case, they state that there is an unearthly feel about the place, and the tainted land is rarely dealt with. The Nobility of Sylvania see Humans on the other hand as merely meat, or cattle, but that they have a use - as opposed to the Bestial Strigoi (why did GW remove them, why?!!) who used them as things to hunt, rend and tear, Blood Dragons who used them as skill tests, but otherwise worthless, and the Lahmians who used them for amusement.

It's only the Sylvanians, such as the Von Carsteins who believe in the use of Human Levies as such.

[kelvintyk]

But the problem is I can't even enter talks with any empire factions. Anyhow, in my current Middenheim campaign, due to Nordland making Sylvania their vassals, the entire alliance of the empire is messed up LOL Reikland is at war with Wissenland and the Grand Theogonist, I'm at war with Nordland. Stirland is at war with Averland, Osterland is at war with almost everyone for some reason. The only neutral ones are the League of Ostermark, Tabbacleland (sp?), and Hochland. It's really chaotic now.

[Warmaster Tibs]

No. Sylvania has Human levies that fight under the banner of their Vampire Lords through fear. Whether other factions believe the tales of the walking dead and vampirism, or not as is usually the case, they state that there is an unearthly feel about the place, and the tainted land is rarely dealt with. The Nobility of Sylvania see Humans on the other hand as merely meat, or cattle, but that they have a use - as opposed to the Bestial Strigoi (why did GW remove them, why?!!) who used them as things to hunt, rend and tear, Blood Dragons who used them as skill tests, but otherwise worthless, and the Lahmians who used them for amusement.

It's only the Sylvanians, such as the Von Carsteins who believe in the use of Human Levies as such.

Humans may be sheep to the Counts, but would not a herdsmen defend his flock from a wolf?

[♔DoomBunny666♔]

No. Sylvania has Human levies that fight under the banner of their Vampire Lords through fear. Whether other factions believe the tales of the walking dead and vampirism, or not as is usually the case, they state that there is an unearthly feel about the place, and the tainted land is rarely dealt with. The Nobility of Sylvania see Humans on the other hand as merely meat, or cattle, but that they have a use - as opposed to the Bestial Strigoi (why did GW remove them, why?!!) who used them as things to hunt, rend and tear, Blood Dragons who used them as skill tests, but otherwise worthless, and the Lahmians who used them for amusement.

It's only the Sylvanians, such as the Von Carsteins who believe in the use of Human Levies as such.

Several Blood Dragons use human warriors and mercenaries actually, they bolster there forces and if they serve well they may be bitten and turned...

Strigoi havent been removed...

Lahmians use enthralled humans as captains for their armies...

[Yarkis de Bodemloze]

Looks like the AI is able to have diplomatic relations while the player is not.

[Vaz]

Not in this instance.

[Warmaster Tibs]

Not in this instance.

If the counts feed on humans and there source of food was threatend would they not act? Though it is likely the Empire would not accept help from Heretical Vampires but that dosent mean the vampire counts(player) couldent try.

[Vaz]

No, because there's always more where they come from. Vampires are like Stone Age Man with a herd of bison, rather than sheep (sheep in the sense that they are of little danger), in that the Sylvanians take what is required.

Also, the older, more powerful second generation vampires (all the first are dead, IIRC, Nefertiri, W'Sorach etc) will clamp down on the more feral young vampires should they get antsy.

Against Chaos, they have no soul to lose, against Greenskins, too stupid to make blessed weapons, or organize witch hunts, and Skaven are easy enough to kill. Nope, they see Sylvania as their property, rather than the people under it being too useful. Not to mention that crime is down for some time after the 2 moons are full of Geheimisnacht.

[Warmaster Tibs]

No, because there's always more where they come from. Vampires are like Stone Age Man with a herd of bison, rather than sheep (sheep in the sense that they are of little danger), in that the Sylvanians take what is required.

Also, the older, more powerful second generation vampires (all the first are dead, IIRC, Nefertiri, W'Sorach etc) will clamp down on the more feral young vampires should they get antsy.

Against Chaos, they have no soul to lose, against Greenskins, too stupid to make blessed weapons, or organize witch hunts, and Skaven are easy enough to kill. Nope, they see Sylvania as their property, rather than the people under it being too useful. Not to mention that crime is down for some time after the 2 moons are full of Geheimisnacht.

A strong arguement but why should we limit the player? If players are the ones in control and from turn 1 things dont always go to lore why should the possible option of diplomacy be left out and limit the possible enjoyment of the player? It is possible for the Vampire Counts to try and reason with the humans or dwarves so why shouldent the person in control(the player) not be allowed to have the option to do this? If you dont like the option and think it goes against lore dont use it. There can be no harm and giving a player this option.

[Vaz]

I'm not saying yes or no to their inclusion in the mod, I'm saying no to the Lore reasoning only. Personally, I don't like it, but meh.

[Warmaster Tibs]

I'm not saying yes or no to their inclusion in the mod, I'm saying no to the Lore reasoning only. Personally, I don't like it, but meh.

Then you win because 40k is more my field. To others in the most desperate of times(storm of chaos) I think the Empire would accept the help from the counts granted they would betray eachother.

[Karion]

probably cause for at least 500 years they try to destroy the empire and in almost 2-3 ocassions they almost take aldorft, oh and yeah make one of his emperor a zombie in front of his son
is like saying i forgive you for kill thousands of people and make them part of your undead army for destroy us

[kelvintyk]

I'd prefer to have diplomacy open though. I'm at war on 2 fronts now and I can't call a ceasefire with those darn empire "allies".

[Karion]

That is bizarre taking in count that the vampire counts have a realy big hate to the empire and even in TT they cant be allies no matter the situation

[SOF]

Sylvania should be able to use diplomacy not only from a game stand point but story as well. As much as the Von Carsteins were still evil vampire types they generally improved the Sylvania on many economic levels. Many Sylvanian peasants still look to the days of Vlad as the glory days of Sylvania. All stories about the interaction of most Von Carsteins with their subjects is more along the lines caring for their cattle or sheep and often in a rather pleasant way (Teclis in Giantslayer references a work by a Vampire which espouses such a sympathetic view toward humanity that may even be kinder then human treatment of their livestock).

Generally most Vampire bloodlines interact with humans to a degree beyond predator and prey. Blood Dragons enter tournaments, Lahamians are protected by living Knights and Noblemen, and the Strigoi protected by Strigian nomads. Necrachs may have the claim to being the most distant of Vampire but even they take in disfigured human to work as servants out of mutual pity for their respective places in the world.

[Gold Spartan5]

Since Manfred von Carstein happens to be in the game, this is after the time of Vlad Von Carstein, who viewed himself as another elector count competing for the throne. He was the shepard to the sheep, or at least he thought so. Konrad Von Carstein destroyed any chance of the Sylvanians and the Empire having any kind of alliance or even negotiations.. So not being able to use diplomacy with the Sylvanians with the Empire seems plausible to me.