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    Default US officials:"Britain plays key role to the rise of islamic extremism in Europe"

    Accusing Britain of being a "menace to the outside world", Americans have blamed their closest ally in Europe for the rise of Islamic extremism amid growing anger over the UK's perceived failure to tackle extremism.
    Senior policymakers in the United States point to the recent attempt to bomb a transatlantic jetliner by Nigerian man Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who is thought to have become radicalised in London.
    They said there was further evidence that one of the biggest threats to US security came from Britain, where the capital has been dubbed as "Londonistan" by critics.
    According to a report in the Daily Telegraph, they also criticised the "ghettoisation" of British Muslims, compared with the "assimilation" of Muslims in America.
    Muslim immigrants to the US were much better integrated in society and considered themselves Americans "within a generation" because the US embraced the "melting pot" concept, Marc Thiessen, former chief speechwriter for President George W Bush and a former Pentagon aide, was quoted as saying by the British daily.
    "The British have an immense problem. There are more challenges in Muslim immigrants integrating into British society than there is in America, a lack of assimilation, a great deal of alienation," said Charles Allen, a recently-retired veteran CIA officer who was intelligence chief at the Department of Homeland Security under Bush.

    British universities are coming under the spotlight in the anti-terrorism campaign, with critics calling them a hotbed of extremism.

    British Prime Minister Gordon Brown recently highlighted the universities as one of the key areas where authorities needed to act against extremist influences.
    The failed suicide bomber Abdulmutallab was president of the Islamic Society at University College London between 2006 and 2007, while he was studying for an engineering degree, the report said.
    "The UK is a menace to the outside world. It's been a problem for years now. This is just one more example," said Daniel Pipes, a scholar on radical Islam and former adviser to Rudolph Giuliani, during his presidential campaign.
    Professor Anthony Glees, director of Brunel University's Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies, has suggested that dozens of British universities have become a breeding ground for extremists.
    "The problem stems from the fact that extremists and extremist recruiters have seen universities as safe spaces
    from which to recruit students," Glees said, adding authorities are "not properly supervising what goes on at
    campuses, they weren't and they're still not, and it is clear they don't intend to do so in the future."

    Though the UK Home Office refused Abdulmutallab a student visa in May and put him on an immigration watch list,
    they did not pass this information to the US.

    Thiessen underlined that the US was "in grave danger" as "we are lowering our defences" "in response to the hue and
    cry from the European Left and to appease European opinion".

    As a result, Al-Qaeda had "worked much harder to get Westerners who may be citizens of the West" to become recruits and train in places like the tribal areas of Pakistan and Yemen, he said.


    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-F...e1-492343.aspx

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    Default Re: US officials:"Britain plays key role to the rise of islamic extremism in Europe"

    A handful of over 300 million Americans said that the UK is a terrorist hotbed and you really thought it was worthy of a thread...

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    What a bunch of ing hypocrites. They can't keep known extremists from their country, and they blame Britain, the country in which the last Nigerian terrorist was banned?

    Of course there is ''ghettoisation'' in Britain, and ''assimilation'' in America. America only gets wealthy, westernised Muslims. Britain got a lot of poor ones. Britain doesn't have a lot of Latino or Mexican ''ghettos'' either, now do they?

    Thiessen underlined that the US was "in grave danger" as "we are lowering our defences" "in response to the hue and
    cry from the European Left and to appease European opinion".
    No. ing nonsense. The US government screws up, and they blame the Brits? Britain has one of the harshest immigration policies in Europe.
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    Default Re: US officials:"Britain plays key role to the rise of islamic extremism in Europe"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    What a bunch of ing hypocrites. They can't keep known extremists from their country, and they blame Britain, the country in which the last Nigerian terrorist was banned?
    apparently yes

    Of course there is ''ghettoisation'' in Britain, and ''assimilation'' in America. America only gets wealthy, westernised Muslims. Britain got a lot of poor ones. Britain doesn't have a lot of Latino or Mexican ''ghettos'' either, now do they?
    well don't forget that Daniel Pipes also said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Pipes
    Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene...All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most.


    No. ing nonsense. The US government screws up, and they blame the Brits? Britain has one of the harshest immigration policies in Europe.
    yuh just watch UK Border Force (it's a TV series here) and you can see that
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    Default Re: US officials:"Britain plays key role to the rise of islamic extremism in Europe"

    So a speech writer for an ex-president and some university professor constitute "U.S. officials?" This article is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPirate View Post
    Rudolph Giuliani, during his presidential campaign.
    Giuliani's presidential campaign. Ah, memories.

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    Not some university professor, but an professional Islamophobe.

    Anything sourced to Daniel Pipes is an automatic fail in my view. A source not to be trusted. Here is (quite literally) an illustration of his lack of integrity.


    Prince Charles photoshoot



    Prince Charles, badly photoshopped on Daniel Pies.org ( apparently he has regularly toyed with the view Prince Charles is a closet Muslim )



    As you can see, same Camilla same building, same Egyptian guy, so where the feck did the Islamic garb come from?



    The real shot before it was photoshopped by Pipes' blog

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    Default Re: US officials:"Britain plays key role to the rise of islamic extremism in Europe"

    Yes Daniel Pipes is scum. Fact remains this article didn't quote a single "U.S. official" who is actually, you know, a U.S. official.

    I'm going to find four random anti-Semites in Belgium and write an article called "BELGIAN OFFICIALS SAY JEWS DID 9/11!"
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    Islamophobe is a word for political correct language-rapers and should not be used if wanted to taken seriously.

    I would like to tell these officials that Britain probably is very aware of the dangers with a large somewhat isolated(?) muslim population which can cause jihads, I don't think they have forgot the London bombings already. Though this is quite Ironic considering Saudi Arabia still being USA's little ally.

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    Islamophobe is a word for political correct language-rapers and should not be used if wanted to taken seriously.
    No, "Islamaphobe" is a word for people who have an irrationally disproportionate negative disposition towards people of Islamic faith. It's an accurate term for something that is quite serious. The reckless use of a term doesn't make it any less apt in the proper situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    No, "Islamaphobe" is a word for people who have an irrationally disproportionate negative disposition towards people of Islamic faith. It's an accurate term for something that is quite serious. The reckless use of a term doesn't make it any less apt in the proper situation.
    A pobia is a serious sickness, and applying a serious psychological sickness to people who are very critical towards a certain religion is something that Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin would do.
    You are practically insulting people who have real phobias when you use that term on politcans who are very negative towards the religion of peace.

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    Default Re: US officials:"Britain plays key role to the rise of islamic extremism in Europe"

    None of those guys are even US officials This article was built on fail from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    No, "Islamaphobe" is a word for people who have an irrationally disproportionate negative disposition towards people of Islamic faith.
    Yet the term is almost exclusively used to describe people who criticize islamic laws, customs, or cultures and not those who wish to harm innocent Muslims. I've been called an islamophobe numerous times. As an ex-Muslim, I would be insane if I did not have at least some fear that I am more likely than others to be harmed by Muslim fanatics. Under all schools of Islamic law, leaving Islam is a capital crime, and many Muslims believe it's justified. Even Cat Stevens thought so... yeah, the 70s pop star who wrote the song "peace train" and then converted to Islam and became a fanatic, and uses all the money from his record sales to fund Islamic schools in Britain.

    There is a huge disconnect with reality among people who seem to think Muslim fanaticism is not a serious problem, or that right-wing extremism is a bigger or equal problem. Personally, I feel I can oppose both, but for some reason, some of you feel one needs all your attention while the other is some neo-con conspiracy. Only one has repeatedly manifested itself into acts of mass murder, and still you pretend as though the right-wing response to it is worse. Everytime there's an act of mass murder committed by a Muslim fanatic, they run articles about how Muslim fear a backlash, and yet, that backlash never comes (and all conservatives, or neo-cons like myself wish that this stays the case). Mark Steyn said it best:

    Even if you are concerned that it would be terribly unfair if all Muslims were to be tarred by Major Hasan's brush, it is, to put it at its mildest, the grossest bad taste to default every single time within minutes to the position that what's of most interest about an actual atrocity with real victims is that it may provoke an entirely hypothetical atrocity with entirely hypothetical victims.
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    Default Re: US officials:"Britain plays key role to the rise of islamic extremism in Europe"

    I see it didn't take long for the xenophobes to crawl out of the woodwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman View Post
    I see it didn't take long for the xenophobes to crawl out of the woodwork.
    Are you saying this about me? I am not white, and my family, with the exception of my mother, is entirely Muslim.

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    Default Re: US officials:"Britain plays key role to the rise of islamic extremism in Europe"

    I didn't know White People had some kind of monopoly on xenophobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    No, "Islamaphobe" is a word for people who have an irrationally disproportionate negative disposition towards people of Islamic faith.

    Considering what follows in the wake of Islam, the fear is anything but irrational. I.e a backward and utterly inefficient and violent patriarch society.
    lol

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    Just like Europe was a century ago.

    FAIL perspective
    GET Arbitrary Xenophobia +4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman View Post
    Just like Europe was a century ago.

    How relevant. Not.
    Further more, theres nothing Xenophobic about pointing out the shortcomings of islamic society and islamic norms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    How relevant. Not.
    Oh, but it is. Because the exact same accusations could be legitimately leveled against European/"Christian" societies and cultures only too short a time ago. Nevermind now the bit in Thirties Germany where "Western civilisation" went wrong...
    Yet they're no longer like that. Why is that ?
    Further more, theres nothing Xenophobic about pointing out the shortcomings of islamic society and islamic norms.
    The whole act of discussing "Islamic society and norms" already betrays a tendentious oversimplification, that of lumping all the various cultures and societies falling under that dubious rubric together as some kind of monolithic whole which they most certainly are not.
    As well as tendentiously confusing prevalent sociocultural norms with the dominant religion, as if these were not quite separate things and the latter quite subordinate to the former.

    In short, a rank failure of analysis and understanding of an "alien" culture and religion and their contexts and backgrounds, nevermind now putting the issues in the proper historical perspective.
    One suspects at least partially deliberately, too.
    All of which is nost definitely characteristic of a xenophobic attitude.

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