Campaign guide for Carthagian faction needed

[Protector]

Hi,

I already played RS versions 1.0 - 1.6 with different factions a couple of long term campaigns.

My very first time now with Carthage ( RS 1.6). I am in year 500 and I don't get it.

Treasury problem from the very first turns. Revolts in too many cities and Rome declares war than asked for peace attacks me again ... asked for peace ... over and over again very annoying 1 turn attack next turn asked for peace..stupid.

So far Rome never ever touched Sicily island in my current campaign yet but when I got a revolt in one of the Sicily cities it became Roman... strange.

So may I asked for a good Carthage guide, lets say for the first 20 turns.
Because it seems to be totally different to all the other factions I played before very successful.

Thx in advance

[Taelok]

Try this thread:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=274496

Some very useful tips there. Enjoy!

[Protector]

Thx for reply,

but did not help. I know that its important to get all of Sicily. I already started 5 different ways with Carthage campaign.

I guess there is something wrong with the script of Carthage.

Annoying issues I observed so far:

- Only with Carthage I got the "..asked for peace ..next turn attacked..asked for peace...attacked again..." (only by the Romans) bug. Annoying and stupid. They pay 3000 florins for peace and they attack me next turn over and over again.
- Only with Carthagian faction I got this terrible treasury problem so far (I did not try all factions so far)
- Only with Carthage I got non stop rioting issues
- Of course all cities got a Governor, but when I try to change him with e.g. other one or a family member like I do with Roman or Greek factions from time to time, for some reason for the rioting Carthage cities it doesnt change the public order at all.

(e.g. Syracuse, even with full citizen militia, with best temple, with no any rebels in territory, with no spy in town, with all available "increase public order buildings" I don't get higher than 60% public order.

I even tried with money cheat,
I have tried with repair and no repair of revolt distractions,
I have tried with different difficulty levels,
I tried with occupied, enslave and total destruction of the city, no any change.
If I have high treasury or low treasury it doesn't matter to the current 6 rioting cities.

In 3 month I will have 8 years experience with RTW gameplay but now its my first time of "absolute no idea whats wrong..."

I think I go back to other factions I played before with RS.

[DUFFMAN]

There's nothing wrong with Carthage for me. Started my Carthaginian campaign yesterday and I destroyed the Syracusae and took control of Sicily within 10 turns or so.

I'm playing with 0-turn recruitment on H/H and I focused all my military on Sicily. Just make good use of the caetrati light infantry and their javelins/pila/i-dont-know. They are not very strong but even when they are out of javelins, you can easily beat an enemy heavy infantry unit with them. Attack the enemy with 1 unit from front, and another from the side. Then you can throw in cavalry and the enemy will be crushed.

Then try to get a ceasefire with the Romans, so they won't attack you. I accepted their alliance proposal, maybe not 100% historically correct but I will stab them in the back later when they got their numbered legions.

When you got Sicily, build up your economy and take all of the African settlements so that you don't have to bother about watching your back anymore. Then sign a trade agreement or even an ally to the Ptolemaic Empire. Then expand in Iberia.

I myself am still busy conquering the African regions, and I sent Hannibal to conquer some of Iberia and Narbo, he is doing a great job and I don't even have to send him reinforcements as his army consists mostly of mercenaries.


On your issues:

That ''bug'' you speak of with the Roman faction, I did not encounter yet, we still have an alliance. I did however notice it in an old Carthage campaign long time ago.

Treasure is okay as long as you don't spend too much money on military. I always make sure every settlement I have under my control has a governor and 6 citizen militia, the real armies are always campaigning (and are few in numbers, about 4 full stacks now). With the governor + 6 militia I don't get riots, I had it only a couple of times but then I just recruit some units there so that the number of inhabitants lowers. Also you should spend enough money on buildings that increase happiness.

Another thing could be that there's indeed something wrong with your campaign or script If you start a new campaign, can you play without these issues?

[Protector]

Thx DUFFMAN for your reply,

plz see below if u don't mind

I'm playing with 0-turn recruitment (I prefer 1-turn) on H/H (me too) and I focused all my military on Sicily (me too). Just make good use of the caetrati light infantry and their javelins/pila/i-dont-know (Yes I know). Attack the enemy with 1 unit from front, and another from the side. Then you can throw in cavalry and the enemy will be crushed.(thx for your advice but to win battles are not my problem).

Then try to get a ceasefire with the Romans, so they won't attack you ...... (I am above year 500 and I got from Romans already about 20x the question for ceasefire, I always accepted, but already next turn or 2nd turn later they attacked again ...)

When you got Sicily, build up your economy and take all of the African settlements so that you don't have to bother about watching your back anymore. (My treasury is too low to spend it for any Military, it is even not enough to repair all rioting cities)
Then sign a trade agreement or even an ally to the Ptolemaic Empire.(Of course I do have trading with all neighbours)
Then expand in Iberia (no money - no military - no expansion, I even disbanded lots of military in the very first turn just to survive "money-wise" the first years).

I myself am still busy conquering the African regions, and I sent Hannibal to conquer some of Iberia and Narbo, he is doing a great job and I don't even have to send him reinforcements as his army consists mostly of mercenaries.
(I also did this by help of money cheat, but all the rioting cities eat all my money and it doesn't matter in my campaign if there is 1x Governor or 2x Governors or 1x Family member 2x militia or 6x militia or even a full stack, they riot all the time even with all available "public order bonus buildings", when the order is by 70% due to new buildings or repairs or more militia, already next turn it will be down to 60% again).


On your issues:

That ''bug'' you speak of with the Roman faction, I did not encounter yet, we still have an alliance. I did however notice it in an old Carthage campaign long time ago.

Treasure is okay as long as you don't spend too much money on military.( I don't) I always make sure every settlement I have under my control has a governor and 6 citizen militia,(yes I agree) the real armies are always campaigning (and are few in numbers, about 4 full stacks now). With the governor + 6 militia I don't get riots, (totally different to my campaign) I had it only a couple of times but then I just recruit some units there so that the number of inhabitants lowers. Also you should spend enough money on buildings that increase happiness. (even with all available "public order bonus buildings" cities like Syracuse are still rioting).

But anyhow thx DUFFMAN for your explanation of your experience with Carthage.

[RJA]

Why don't you post a save-game of your attempt(s)? That way other players can check out what you do exactely. We are going to be able to help you a lot more then, because it seems that you are allready following the logical steps.
I once played a Carthago campaign on 1.5c. It was actually a very enjoyable campaign, but I had some trouble too. I think it was only H/M, but playing Carthago is a lot different then the other factions I played. Your regions are far away. I got attacked by the Ptolemaics while I was conquering Iberia and invading Italy. That learnt me that you can only focus on 1 direction at a time, because you don't have the money to maintain a lot of armies. And you definately need a decent navy. I didn't even bother to take the inland provinces, because they aren't usefull in my opinion right away. They will probably cause to much trouble to maintain public order. My intention was to take them when I wasn't at war on too many fronts so I could spare an army. Never got to that though as after I took Spain, the Gallic tribes unleashed their hordes on me. But I remember having some public order problems in those coastal cities. And Syracuse is always a pain in the ass, whomever I play with (unless playing Syracuse). Strangely though in my last Roman campaign, they are one of my most loyal cities. When I conquered it, I enslaved instead of the usual exterminate I do with large or huge cities, and kept a good governor in it. Syracuse is also a very good governorfactory. A lot better then Rome in my opinion.
I'm kind of tired playing RS 1.6 after looking at all those previews, but I might try Carthago again. So if you put your savegame online, I'll give it a try. Too bad I have to study for my exams though.

RJA

[Protector]

Why don't you post a save-game of your attempt(s)? That way other players can check out what you do exactely. We are going to be able to help you a lot more then, because it seems that you are allready following the logical steps.
I once played a Carthago campaign on 1.5c. It was actually a very enjoyable campaign, but I had some trouble too. I think it was only H/M, but playing Carthago is a lot different then the other factions I played. Your regions are far away. I got attacked by the Ptolemaics while I was conquering Iberia and invading Italy. That learnt me that you can only focus on 1 direction at a time, because you don't have the money to maintain a lot of armies. And you definately need a decent navy. I didn't even bother to take the inland provinces, because they aren't usefull in my opinion right away. They will probably cause to much trouble to maintain public order. My intention was to take them when I wasn't at war on too many fronts so I could spare an army. Never got to that though as after I took Spain, the Gallic tribes unleashed their hordes on me. But I remember having some public order problems in those coastal cities. And Syracuse is always a pain in the ass, whomever I play with (unless playing Syracuse). Strangely though in my last Roman campaign, they are one of my most loyal cities. When I conquered it, I enslaved instead of the usual exterminate I do with large or huge cities, and kept a good governor in it. Syracuse is also a very good governorfactory. A lot better then Rome in my opinion.
I'm kind of tired playing RS 1.6 after looking at all those previews, but I might try Carthago again. So if you put your savegame online, I'll give it a try. Too bad I have to study for my exams though.

RJA

Thx RJA,

also very kind of u.

[DUFFMAN]

Yeah post your save game so I can have a look too.

I now got Syracuse rioting, 30% public order with a full stack. And apparently they killed the governor during the riots. When I took the city I just occupied it, so maybe thats the problem. I will now let it to rebel and take it again, only this time I will enslave the population.

[General Brittanicus]

Yeah post your save game so I can have a look too.

I now got Syracuse rioting, 30% public order with a full stack. And apparently they killed the governor during the riots. When I took the city I just occupied it, so maybe thats the problem. I will now let it to rebel and take it again, only this time I will enslave the population.

Destroy Syracuse completely instead so that it is wiped off the map that way there will never be a riot there ever again.

[DUFFMAN]

Destroy Syracuse completely instead so that it is wiped off the map that way there will never be a riot there ever again.

I have just taken the city back and enslaved the population + trained some units, so theres about 8000 people living in that huge city now

[General Brittanicus]

I have just taken the city back and enslaved the population + trained some units, so theres about 8000 people living in that huge city now

That is too many, relocate the populace then destroy every building and train loads of militia to lower the population even further. Then everyone in your empire will thank you for destroying those troublemakers.

[Protector]

Destroy Syracuse completely instead so that it is wiped off the map that way there will never be a riot there ever again.

Of course I destroyed Syracuse completely.

3-4 turns later same as before - rioting.

[DUFFMAN]

Of course I destroyed Syracuse completely.

3-4 turns later same as before - rioting.

Yea well if you upload your save and give us a link we would be happy to find out what to problem is with your campaign.

At the moment I haven't really got any armies, maybe 2 or so. I'm building up the economy. I got the whole of Sicily and Africa in my hands (except of course the Ptolemaic regions) and expansion in Iberia is what I am going to do next, in about 10 turns. I'm getting about 40000-60000 gold each turn now.

As for Syracuse, I don't expect the rebels will take over again. I'm building the suburbs now so I hope the population growth will get negative. And if they do rebel I will raise an army quickly and relocate the population.

If you want to play my campaign, which is better and more fun than your campaign I believe, I can upload my save. Just ask

[Protector]

Yea well if you upload your save and give us a link we would be happy to find out what to problem is with your campaign.

At the moment I haven't really got any armies, maybe 2 or so. I'm building up the economy. I got the whole of Sicily and Africa in my hands (except of course the Ptolemaic regions) and expansion in Iberia is what I am going to do next, in about 10 turns. I'm getting about 40000-60000 gold each turn now.

As for Syracuse, I don't expect the rebels will take over again. I'm building the suburbs now so I hope the population growth will get negative. And if they do rebel I will raise an army quickly and relocate the population.

If you want to play my campaign, which is better and more fun than your campaign I believe, I can upload my save. Just ask

Very nice.

Due to your reply and the others. I got motivated again to try it again from the beginning.

For further problems where do I find the "save" file ?
I was looking in "data" file, in "imperial campaign" file ... e.t.c. couldn't find it so far...

Cheers

[DUFFMAN]

Save files can be found in C/Programfiles/activision/rtw/saves or similar.

Also, if you start over from the beginning, I read somewhere that people disband their starting units. I did not do this, I transported them all to Sicily to conquer the whole island. Maybe that will help you, you can easily conquer Sicily with all those units.

Good luck

[RJA]

What version of windows do you have? I have windows 7 and it's in a completely different folder.

RJA

[DUFFMAN]

Windows 7 here too, 64bit. So its in Programfiles(x86) for me. But of course it depends on where you installed the game

[RJA]

Windows 7 here too, 64bit. So its in Programfiles(x86) for me. But of course it depends on where you installed the game

Really? How weird is that. My program folder is a total mess. Some files goe to user/username/appdata or something like that. I can't check it now because my computer is in my dorm and I'm at home at the moment.
It's really strange. My data is all over the place. Maybe I do things the wrong way. The strange thing is that their is a folder in program files, but also one in another place.

RJA

[Protector]

I got Vista 32 bit.

Meanwhile I found it.

For some reason I got RTW on C:/Programfiles/activision/rtw/... and on a second driver D:/Programfiles/activision/rtw/... as well and there I found it.


Thx Gents.

[DUFFMAN]

Are the hidden files and folders being showed?

And I used the search function too. I searched for Carthage.sav and it was found in the folder i mentioned earlier.

@ RJA: sometimes there are files being stored both in Program Files and Appdata. Apparently my RTW doesn't store files in appdata but I know of other games that store preferences and save files in appdata, like Empire does.

Protector, have you looked in the appdata folder?