Gondor + Mordor = Too easy

[I Killed Kenny]

it was the first time I ever played this mod. And I already destroyed Mordor.

I've done it in less then 30 turns and even before my military fully prepared.

I conquered Osligard(sp) and then went for Minas morgol, in the siege I killed a Dark Knight and when the witch king tried to reconquer the city I simply destroyed him too.

After some bitter wins against Harad, they are next.


I find it too easy to destroy the hordes of orcs, I simply wait, they attack and then they run.

Oh, and I'm playing in Very Hard.

[Seleukos_I.]

Then wait till trolls appear.

[HarneY]

Have a look at the bug report

- Evil factions won't die because lack of family members

[I Killed Kenny]

Have a look at the bug report

that can't be true. I killed the Witch King and Mordor died.

[HarneY]

that can't be true. I killed the Witch King and Mordor died.

I meant look at the bugs to be fixed on the 1.4 patch that quote was directly from the very soon to come update

[I Killed Kenny]

I meant look at the bugs to be fixed on the 1.4 patch that quote was directly from the very soon to come update

as far as I know I'm playing with patch 1.3

I'm not at home, but I can post a SS from the Game Map, I think I'm in turn 38 (now) or whatever.

[Seleukos_I.]

That's because 1.4 isn't out.

[tallstark]

it was the first time I ever played this mod. And I already destroyed Mordor.

I've done it in less then 30 turns and even before my military fully prepared.

I conquered Osligard(sp) and then went for Minas morgol, in the siege I killed a Dark Knight and when the witch king tried to reconquer the city I simply destroyed him too.

After some bitter wins against Harad, they are next.


I find it too easy to destroy the hordes of orcs, I simply wait, they attack and then they run.

Oh, and I'm playing in Very Hard.

No offense, but I have to call BS. Until I see someone post a turn by turn account of how it was done, I do not believe anyone entirely wipes out Mordor in 30 turns with no cheats on vh/vh. Even if you do nothing but produce units and keep sending them east, your upkeep will surpass your economy and you will stall out long before you wipe out all their settlements. I would be happy to be shown wrong, but I will wait until someone can back it up with screenshots.

[Chyeaaaa111]

No offense, but I have to call BS. Until I see someone post a turn by turn account of how it was done, I do not believe anyone entirely wipes out Mordor in 30 turns with no cheats on vh/vh. Even if you do nothing but produce units and keep sending them east, your upkeep will surpass your economy and you will stall out long before you wipe out all their settlements. I would be happy to be shown wrong, but I will wait until someone can back it up with screenshots.

You can rush and if you take Minas Morgul and the Black Gate, Mordor is pretty much done for as their two main unit producing centers are gone (and you get two citadels).

The other possibility is as someone else earlier stated, if you kill all the family members the faction just dies. This has happened to me numerous times before, in both vanilla M2TW, Kingdoms, SS 6.1, and TATW. A faction with a huge number of cities just dies and all their settlements become rebel.

So in all reality it is very possible this happened, although in 1.4 this issue will be fixed

[tallstark]

You can rush and if you take Minas Morgul and the Black Gate, Mordor is pretty much done for as their two main unit producing centers are gone (and you get two citadels).

The other possibility is as someone else earlier stated, if you kill all the family members the faction just dies. This has happened to me numerous times before, in both vanilla M2TW, Kingdoms, SS 6.1, and TATW. A faction with a huge number of cities just dies and all their settlements become rebel.

So in all reality it is very possible this happened, although in 1.4 this issue will be fixed

yeah, that family tree thing has ruined more than one campaign. Last Dale campaign Rhun went extinct on turn 15, by turn 35 I had 20 settlements, kinda took the challenge away.

I am just doubting someone saying the first time they ever played, they did a vh/vh and wiped out Mordor in 30 turns. Again, I could be wrong, just kinda doubt it. Without the garrison script, perhaps, but stopping at Osgi and then moving on? I just want to hear turn by turn before I can believe it...

[Ivan Bajlo]

I am just doubting someone saying the first time they ever played, they did a vh/vh and wiped out Mordor in 30 turns. Again, I could be wrong, just kinda doubt it. Without the garrison script, perhaps, but stopping at Osgi and then moving on? I just want to hear turn by turn before I can believe it...

the trick is not to trigger garrison script, just park your army next to Minas Morgul/Black Gate/Barad Dur and wait for the battle to come to you and then make sure none escape, this way all of the defenders are dead and no risk of triggering nasty script which will give AI trolls - Mordor does get two units of Olog hai and full stack army after Black Gate or Minas Morgul falls but if your lucky AI will send it north to fight Silvan Elves so you might want to leave Black Gates open for a while

[damnmap]

The Gondor campaign is the best TW experience I have ever had. I don't take any settlements across the osgilliath bridge so I can lure huge orc armies to fight me on it... have had some great battles that way and this is the main reason I enjoy gondor so much. Harad are more of an amusing distraction from the orc bridge genocide though sometimes they surprise me and give some fun battles.

As for Mordor yes you are correct some factions are very easy like Harad for instance and I think they could do with being made alot harder in 1.4. For instance give Gondor some huge armies from the get go to really make Mordor sweat... when you play as Mordor ofc

[I Killed Kenny]

No offense, but I have to call BS. Until I see someone post a turn by turn account of how it was done, I do not believe anyone entirely wipes out Mordor in 30 turns with no cheats on vh/vh. Even if you do nothing but produce units and keep sending them east, your upkeep will surpass your economy and you will stall out long before you wipe out all their settlements. I would be happy to be shown wrong, but I will wait until someone can back it up with screenshots.

you can call whatever you want, I only had 1 full army all the way to Minas Morgol, after killing the Witch King I didn't even care about the "rebels" that once were mordor.

[Aragon45]

Its true, i beat Mordor in 38 turns. At very hard aswell.

[daddytorgo]

i gondor-campaigned last night but i accidently outstripped my economy in order to take w. osgiliath and make a beachehad in ithilien. now i'm way tight on cash and mordor has called an invasion on my ass...i think i'm in trouble.

and i'm not a newb either...i've had some very successful campaigns. i just got into reconquering lands for men and killing orcs and couldn't stop.

i did pull my main army out of ithilien in advance of them getting sieged and killed so i kept them intact.

i also was just about to send an army north to retake caras galadhon for the silvans (how they lost it already i dunno), but then the invasion was called on my ass and i figured i needed my elite-army

[Sulfurion Blackfyre]

Mordor is very easy, I did it before the first military reform. Just rush to capture their settlements, you don't have to fight EVERY full stack your way you know, after capturing all their settlements their armeis just wandered around (because the faction doesn't die) and then they conquered that settlement near rhun.. I don't remember the name.. the one just north of mordor... Oh and the silvan elves captured dol guldur at almost the same time I attacked.

[Jean=A=Luc]

Yeah, it was probably due to the bug.

[damnmap]

If you don't update to 1.5 there is a bug that turns mordor to rebels if the witch king dies... even with heirs available

[Deedlit]

I dont get how people can complete the map in 30 turns. It takes me 300-500 and thats within a course of a month!

Hmm i might work on the dwarfs now

[Seleukos_I.]

He just destroyed Mordor after 30 turns because of the bug. No one mentioned anything about the whole map.