Just watched the whole trilogy for the first time since getting addicted to TATW, random thoughts!

[tallstark]

Hi all, over Christmas week I watched all the movies for like the 40th time, but for the first time since getting TATW on the brain, and it really changed the viewing experience. I really paid attention to the armor, how fast orcs can run, quality of arrow attacks LOL and it made it a lot of fun. Several thoughts ran thru my head:

• Humanity really does hang by a string. Rohan has basically one stack of horse, and a militia stack sitting on a citadel with 10,000 unit armored stack with ladders and more ladders ready to go. Even on m/m instead of Vh/Vh, the movie is a much harder scenario than the game. It would make for a lousy game balance to start SO weak, but it does make me complain less when the AI sends yet ANOTHER 2 full stacks at me. The guys in the movie had it worse!
• It would be nice (especially with reinforcements being controllable in 1.4!!) if allied armies were controllable. Imagine if you could invite that elf stack up to the Hornburg! Or, when you are Gondor and Edoras gets that first invasion called, if you could go do a siege defense instead of a field battle to try and save your friends in Rohan, how nice would that be!
• Which brings up a side note, if Dwarves can hire SOME sort of merc cavalry because it helps balance the game, how about letting SE hire some dwarves so they have SOME sort of AP. Make them very expensive if you need to, but the idea of being able to buy what you can't homegrow is nice.
• Rohan riders are pretty bad a$$. When they hit the Uruk-hai, there is a complete slaughter of orcs, but riders apparently only lost two men. They give two horses to 3 people, so I assume that was all they have to spare.
• High end elves need to be overpowered, because they are! Watching them mow thru the first lines that charge them until Sauron shows up, watching them aim at 2" spaces in armor of moving targets, I say let them be super snipers.
• Trolls may be over powered, but Ologhai should be damn near unstoppable. The trolls are not the absolute machines in the movies that they are at times in the game, but the Ologhai look SO damn big and imagining them running at you covered in plate mail, pretty hard one to overcome.
• Wargs in the movie are pretty crazy. Watch that scene where the first scout jumps down the face of a 30ft cliff then springs at the first guy. They need some sort of permanent charge bonus, where all they need is about 3 ft to get up to speed.
• How about a "good" crusade you can launch once a game, or in response to an invasion? You light the beacon fires, and good AI or allies each send a stack to represent the old alliances?
• The rangers with Faramir have some pretty impressive killing power. Do ambushes in the game negate all defensive bonuses for the first 3 volleys or something? There needs to be a mechanism that really reflects the chaos a well timed ambush has. You dont have time to raise shields, you run in to each other trying to take cover etc...
• Sometimes a big cavalry group CAN pull off a charge in to 1,000 pikes apparently, but oliphants are a different story....
• The evil AI needs to bring more siege weapons and take down your walls. I have successfully defended MT about 30 times, and never once have they showed up with trebs or catapults even and just blasted the walls from under my feet. Conversely when I am Gondor, I do that as often as I am able. Mordor showed up ready for business with all kinds of siege equipement, which makes sense!
• is there any way to make wall defenses controllable? It would be amazing to actually be able to aim your ballista towers where you want them to attack, especially if the AI gets smarter in sieges.
• Do spies cause mass unrest in TATW like they do in other mods and vanilla? It seems to me when you see the amount of damage Grimer does to Rohan, that whole country is on the brink of disaster when Gandalf shows up. The game could reflect this with agents of the DL who hide in cities like spies and cause turmoil.
• My number one observation, what an amazing mod, and thank you to all you guys who did it. Now when I watch the movies it feels like watching a Tomb Raider or Resident Evil (a million times better obviously) in that now it feels like a movie about my favorite game! Now I look at the movie and say "its not like that, TATW is what its really like" instead of the other way around.

OK, if anyone has their own thoughts or feedback, I look forward to hearing it. And to the inevitable first person who tells me I was supposed to go post it somewhere else or there was already a post like this LOL, GOI.

[Altimis]

Any suggestions and comments

I think it will be better go to this thread http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=284367

regard =)

[tallstark]

Any suggestions and comments

I think it will be better go to this thread http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=284367

regard =)

LMAO, amazing. Is there a whole group that sits and waits for any post that has an idea or suggestion so they can write "go post it somewhere else"? You guys raze me...

[damnmap]

I sympathise with the mods as there are far too many suggestions as is... the least you can do is post them in the suggestions section.

[tallstark]

I sympathise with the mods as there are far too many suggestions as is... the least you can do is post them in the suggestions section.

its not a suggestion post, its an "after watching the movie" thread comparing how we play versus whats in the movie. It just happens to have some suggestions LOL.

Now, anyone that has 1,000+ posts, what is the official definition of the purpose of the general thread?

[Jean=A=Luc]

Now, anyone that has 1,000+ posts, what is the official definition of the purpose of the general thread?

It's TA:TW general discussion so it's purpose is to enable general discussion about the mod.

[Seleukos_I.]

Which brings up a side note, if Dwarves can hire SOME sort of merc cavalry because it helps balance the game, how about letting SE hire some dwarves so they have SOME sort of AP. Make them very expensive if you need to, but the idea of being able to buy what you can't homegrow is nice.

No because the Silvan Elves don't like the Dwarves.

Rohan riders are pretty bad a$$. When they hit the Uruk-hai, there is a complete slaughter of orcs, but riders apparently only lost two men. They give two horses to 3 people, so I assume that was all they have to spare.

They lost more. It's just that the other horses died.

How about a "good" crusade you can launch once a game, or in response to an invasion? You light the beacon fires, and good AI or allies each send a stack to represent the old alliances?

Not possible. Only armies that spawn for your faction.

The rangers with Faramir have some pretty impressive killing power. Do ambushes in the game negate all defensive bonuses for the first 3 volleys or something? There needs to be a mechanism that really reflects the chaos a well timed ambush has. You dont have time to raise shields, you run in to each other trying to take cover etc...

Don't think it's possible to change it, though it would be nice.

Sometimes a big cavalry group CAN pull off a charge in to 1,000 pikes apparently, but oliphants are a different story....

Your point is...?

is there any way to make wall defenses controllable? It would be amazing to actually be able to aim your ballista towers where you want them to attack, especially if the AI gets smarter in sieges.

Not possible

Do spies cause mass unrest in TATW like they do in other mods and vanilla? It seems to me when you see the amount of damage Grimer does to Rohan, that whole country is on the brink of disaster when Gandalf shows up. The game could reflect this with agents of the DL who hide in cities like spies and cause turmoil.

I hope they won't do so. Can you imagine a human walking into Imladris and causing unrest among the population?

[tallstark]

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Originally Posted by tallstark
Which brings up a side note, if Dwarves can hire SOME sort of merc cavalry because it helps balance the game, how about letting SE hire some dwarves so they have SOME sort of AP. Make them very expensive if you need to, but the idea of being able to buy what you can't homegrow is nice.

No because the Silvan Elves don't like the Dwarves.

OK, good point, perhaps not the best example.

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Originally Posted by tallstark
Rohan riders are pretty bad a$$. When they hit the Uruk-hai, there is a complete slaughter of orcs, but riders apparently only lost two men. They give two horses to 3 people, so I assume that was all they have to spare.

They lost more. It's just that the other horses died.

Based on what?

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Originally Posted by tallstark
How about a "good" crusade you can launch once a game, or in response to an invasion? You light the beacon fires, and good AI or allies each send a stack to represent the old alliances?

Not possible. Only armies that spawn for your faction.

I don't see why not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tallstark
The rangers with Faramir have some pretty impressive killing power. Do ambushes in the game negate all defensive bonuses for the first 3 volleys or something? There needs to be a mechanism that really reflects the chaos a well timed ambush has. You dont have time to raise shields, you run in to each other trying to take cover etc...

Don't think it's possible to change it, though it would be nice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tallstark
Sometimes a big cavalry group CAN pull off a charge in to 1,000 pikes apparently, but oliphants are a different story....

Your point is...?

My point is, as it says in the title of the post, I just watched the movie and had a thought.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tallstark
is there any way to make wall defenses controllable? It would be amazing to actually be able to aim your ballista towers where you want them to attack, especially if the AI gets smarter in sieges.

Not possible

Quite possible actually, all you would need to do is make a space on the top of a tower big enough to put a ballista for instance when you are placing units before a siege. The game Stronghold already does it like that.

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Originally Posted by tallstark
Do spies cause mass unrest in TATW like they do in other mods and vanilla? It seems to me when you see the amount of damage Grimer does to Rohan, that whole country is on the brink of disaster when Gandalf shows up. The game could reflect this with agents of the DL who hide in cities like spies and cause turmoil.

I hope they won't do so. Can you imagine a human walking into Imladris and causing unrest among the population?

Yeah, it would not work with all situations, but if Sauron can corrupt an Istari then he can corrupt an elf?

Anyway, main point was great mod, great movie, its fun to have both!

[Seleukos_I.]

Based on what?

Two Towers. Eomer says that he lost 15 men and 12 horses.

I don't see why not?

Because they don't have the same culture (=religion).

My point is, as it says in the title of the post, I just watched the movie and had a thought.

Yeah bit what did you want to say with this point?

Quite possible actually, all you would need to do is make a space on the top of a tower big enough to put a ballista for instance when you are placing units before a siege. The game Stronghold already does it like that.

And what game are we playing? Exactly, Medieval 2. Though I read somewhere about a way to transport catapults up the wall, bit it was very buggy and you could only have 2 catapults.

Yeah, it would not work with all situations, but if Sauron can corrupt an Istari then he can corrupt an elf?

Yes but Sauron does not go to Imladris.

[Ellin Athinaios]

Though I read somewhere about a way to transport catapults up the wall, bit it was very buggy and you could only have 2 catapults.

How?

[Seleukos_I.]

I don't know.

[KozCDVI]

Hi all, over Christmas week I watched all the movies for like the 40th time, but for the first time since getting TATW on the brain, and it really changed the viewing experience. I really paid attention to the armor, how fast orcs can run, quality of arrow attacks LOL and it made it a lot of fun. Several thoughts ran thru my head:

• Humanity really does hang by a string. Rohan has basically one stack of horse, and a militia stack sitting on a citadel with 10,000 unit armored stack with ladders and more ladders ready to go. Even on m/m instead of Vh/Vh, the movie is a much harder scenario than the game. It would make for a lousy game balance to start SO weak, but it does make me complain less when the AI sends yet ANOTHER 2 full stacks at me. The guys in the movie had it worse!
• It would be nice (especially with reinforcements being controllable in 1.4!!) if allied armies were controllable. Imagine if you could invite that elf stack up to the Hornburg! Or, when you are Gondor and Edoras gets that first invasion called, if you could go do a siege defense instead of a field battle to try and save your friends in Rohan, how nice would that be!
• Which brings up a side note, if Dwarves can hire SOME sort of merc cavalry because it helps balance the game, how about letting SE hire some dwarves so they have SOME sort of AP. Make them very expensive if you need to, but the idea of being able to buy what you can't homegrow is nice.
• Rohan riders are pretty bad a$$. When they hit the Uruk-hai, there is a complete slaughter of orcs, but riders apparently only lost two men. They give two horses to 3 people, so I assume that was all they have to spare.
• High end elves need to be overpowered, because they are! Watching them mow thru the first lines that charge them until Sauron shows up, watching them aim at 2" spaces in armor of moving targets, I say let them be super snipers.
• Trolls may be over powered, but Ologhai should be damn near unstoppable. The trolls are not the absolute machines in the movies that they are at times in the game, but the Ologhai look SO damn big and imagining them running at you covered in plate mail, pretty hard one to overcome.
• Wargs in the movie are pretty crazy. Watch that scene where the first scout jumps down the face of a 30ft cliff then springs at the first guy. They need some sort of permanent charge bonus, where all they need is about 3 ft to get up to speed.
• How about a "good" crusade you can launch once a game, or in response to an invasion? You light the beacon fires, and good AI or allies each send a stack to represent the old alliances?
• The rangers with Faramir have some pretty impressive killing power. Do ambushes in the game negate all defensive bonuses for the first 3 volleys or something? There needs to be a mechanism that really reflects the chaos a well timed ambush has. You dont have time to raise shields, you run in to each other trying to take cover etc...
• Sometimes a big cavalry group CAN pull off a charge in to 1,000 pikes apparently, but oliphants are a different story....
• The evil AI needs to bring more siege weapons and take down your walls. I have successfully defended MT about 30 times, and never once have they showed up with trebs or catapults even and just blasted the walls from under my feet. Conversely when I am Gondor, I do that as often as I am able. Mordor showed up ready for business with all kinds of siege equipement, which makes sense!
• is there any way to make wall defenses controllable? It would be amazing to actually be able to aim your ballista towers where you want them to attack, especially if the AI gets smarter in sieges.
• Do spies cause mass unrest in TATW like they do in other mods and vanilla? It seems to me when you see the amount of damage Grimer does to Rohan, that whole country is on the brink of disaster when Gandalf shows up. The game could reflect this with agents of the DL who hide in cities like spies and cause turmoil.
• My number one observation, what an amazing mod, and thank you to all you guys who did it. Now when I watch the movies it feels like watching a Tomb Raider or Resident Evil (a million times better obviously) in that now it feels like a movie about my favorite game! Now I look at the movie and say "its not like that, TATW is what its really like" instead of the other way around.

OK, if anyone has their own thoughts or feedback, I look forward to hearing it. And to the inevitable first person who tells me I was supposed to go post it somewhere else or there was already a post like this LOL, GOI.

Now that you've seen that, go watch this EPIC fanfilm and post what you think should be changed accordingly

http://www.bornofhope.com/Watch.html

[Muffer Nl]

Humanity really does hang by a string. Rohan has basically one stack of horse, and a militia stack sitting on a citadel with 10,000 unit armored stack with ladders and more ladders ready to go. Even on m/m instead of Vh/Vh, the movie is a much harder scenario than the game. It would make for a lousy game balance to start SO weak, but it does make me complain less when the AI sends yet ANOTHER 2 full stacks at me. The guys in the movie had it worse!

Well you gotta know that there actually were 2000 veteran soldiers at Helms Deep and that they had 1000 units of foot and Huorns(walking trees) reinforcements at dawn. The attackers were composed of Dunlendings, regular Orcs and some Uruk-Hai.

It would be nice (especially with reinforcements being controllable in 1.4!!) if allied armies were controllable. Imagine if you could invite that elf stack up to the Hornburg! Or, when you are Gondor and Edoras gets that first invasion called, if you could go do a siege defense instead of a field battle to try and save your friends in Rohan, how nice would that be!

Game-engine limitations.

Which brings up a side note, if Dwarves can hire SOME sort of merc cavalry because it helps balance the game, how about letting SE hire some Dwarves so they have SOME sort of AP. Make them very expensive if you need to, but the idea of being able to buy what you can't homegrow is nice.

The Dwarves CAN hire cavalry.

Rohan riders are pretty bad a$$. When they hit the Uruk-hai, there is a complete slaughter of orcs, but riders apparently only lost two men. They give two horses to 3 people, so I assume that was all they have to spare.

This is due to the surprise effect they had on the Orcs. Also the Orcs only had swords and no spears.

High end elves need to be overpowered, because they are! Watching them mow through the first lines that charge them until Sauron shows up, watching them aim at 2" spaces in armor of moving targets, I say let them be super snipers.

Balancing. Don´t forget that if you´s make them like this that you could take out entire armies with 4 units of elven archers.

Wargs in the movie are pretty crazy. Watch that scene where the first scout jumps down the face of a 30ft cliff then springs at the first guy. They need some sort of permanent charge bonus, where all they need is about 3 ft to get up to speed.

Very hard but changing the charge distance may be the right thing to do here.

How about a "good" crusade you can launch once a game, or in response to an invasion? You light the beacon fires, and good AI or allies each send a stack to represent the old alliances?

Being thought about and hopefully worked on.

The rangers with Faramir have some pretty impressive killing power. Do ambushes in the game negate all defensive bonuses for the first 3 volleys or something? There needs to be a mechanism that really reflects the chaos a well timed ambush has. You dont have time to raise shields, you run in to each other trying to take cover etc...

The enemy is out of formation but that´s all it gives.

Sometimes a big cavalry group CAN pull off a charge in to 1,000 pikes apparently, but oliphaunts are a different story....

Charging head on into pikes with cavalry = suicide.

The evil AI needs to bring more siege weapons and take down your walls. I have successfully defended MT about 30 times, and never once have they showed up with trebuchets or catapults even and just blasted the walls from under my feet. Conversely when I am Gondor, I do that as often as I am able. Mordor showed up ready for business with all kinds of siege equipment, which makes sense!

You should defend Osgiliath instead of MT
You should defend Osgiliath...

Do spies cause mass unrest in TATW like they do in other mods and vanilla? It seems to me when you see the amount of damage Grima does to Rohan, that whole country is on the brink of disaster when Gandalf shows up. The game could reflect this with agents of the DL who hide in cities like spies and cause turmoil.

Grima is different...

My number one observation, what an amazing mod, and thank you to all you guys who did it. Now when I watch the movies it feels like watching a Tomb Raider or Resident Evil (a million times better obviously) in that now it feels like a movie about my favorite game! Now I look at the movie and say "its not like that, TATW is what its really like" instead of the other way around.

This is because the game is all about the books and TW, except for the armor of course...

[Aragon45]

Third age: total war was based on the JR. Toilken books, not the movies.


Dwarves: Dwarves are able to hire calavry already.

Tower Mounted Balistas: It would be really cool to actully control the balistas!!

The LOTR movie series is based on JR. Toilken series, which i dont really agree with, cause JR. Toilken re-created the book series when they were making the movies.


When Rohans Calavry in the movie vs the Oliphants, they lost half 1/4 of their troops doing this. They had 8,500 to begin with, in the end they ended up with 1,000 or close to. They didnt take all of that 1,000 or more to the Black gate, is that a quarter stayed and looked after the wounded and ect. Gondor and Rohan took 3,000-4,000 troops to the black gate.

[Athalwulf]

The LOTR movie series is based on JR. Toilken series, which i dont really agree with, cause JR. Toilken re-created the book series when they were making the movies.

Tolkien died in 1973, long before the movies were being made.

[Aragon45]

Tolkien died in 1973, long before the movies were being made.

I mean they were Updated with new covers and ect. By another man. Sorry incorrect saying back there. Lol

[ackrite26]

Third age: total war was based on the JR. Toilken books, not the movies.

Maybe visually but not so much when thinking about lore

The LOTR movie series is based on JR. Toilken series, which i dont really agree with, cause JR. Toilken re-created the book series when they were making the movies.

I mean they were Updated with new covers and ect. By another man.

I dont understand. Even if the covers have changed (there are many cover variations anyway), the story has not.

When Rohans Calavry in the movie vs the Oliphants, they lost half 1/4 of their troops doing this. They had 8,500 to begin with,

Actually they had 6000 riders to begin with

I've watched LOTR so many times, i have all the games such as: Battle for middle earth, Battle for middle earth 2, Lord of the rings Conquest, Third age total war, Lord of the rings Conquest 2, Lord of the rings strategy packed gaming which includes the LOTR fight for middle earth series. Created by Battle for middle earth 2 people.

I have the Lotr movies, the deleted scene movies, and the extended scene movies, and the making of Lotr. Also i have all the books, everything. Lord of the rings, and Star wars are my #1 movies.

and...........

[Aragon45]

I've watched LOTR so many times, i have all the games such as: Battle for middle earth, Battle for middle earth 2, Lord of the rings Conquest, Third age total war, Lord of the rings Conquest 2, Lord of the rings strategy packed gaming which includes the LOTR fight for middle earth series. Created by Battle for middle earth 2 people.

I have the Lotr movies, the deleted scene movies, and the extended scene movies, and the making of Lotr. Also i have all the books, everything. Lord of the rings, and Star wars are my #1 movies.