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    Icon5 What is this helmet called?

    most of the helmets of the romans have names, like the "Coolus" or "Imperial Gallic" , and I'm wondering what the one on the left with the red crest is called? Thanks for the help!
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    A Spangenhelm-style helmet.

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    I think it is meant to be a Intercisa Helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianus heraclius View Post
    I think it is meant to be a Intercisa Helmet.
    You are of course correct Julianus. Its the type that did not have a fixed, metal crest. Intercisa type helmets were of very simple construction, designed to be manufactured quickly. Unfortunately, although Late Roman artwork shows them with crests such as this picture shows, the examples found so far have no obvious way of attaching the crests. Also, the artwork almost always shows the helmets with the 'Attic' type brow guards, which are also absent in all the ones found so far.

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    I think you might be right, julianus, now that I think about it, spangenhelm-style helmets are somehow pointy at the top, aren't they?

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    Default Re: What is this helmet called?

    It is an intercisa helmet. Very common amongst internal field armies, deep within the provinces, while troops near the borders usually had a combination of the pointy sphagnem and the intercisa ridge helm. Crests were usually a thin metal blade, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magistri Militum FlaviusAetius View Post
    It is an intercisa helmet. Very common amongst internal field armies, deep within the provinces, while troops near the borders usually had a combination of the pointy sphagnem and the intercisa ridge helm. Crests were usually a thin metal blade, though...
    I would not be so bold as to make the above statement. A police officer I know who has an interest in ancient history has told me that due to so little surviving evidence we have of Roman helmets then at best all we can say is that at least some troops wore them. It does not explain the copious amount of artwork, both in mozaics, wall paintings and on monuments that depict 'Attic' type helmets with brow guards and with what must be horse hair plumes/crests. And even those works that show the intercisa type helmet they all have what appear to be non-metallic crests. Its a real conundrum!

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    It seems an Intercisa type 2 helmet, with a crest.

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    It is a conundrum. It was a mix between the intersica ridge styla and sphagnem helm throughout the army. But a lot of it's usage depended on what area of the empire you came from and other things. Both the crest and metal crest were used, as the Magistri Militum/peditum/equitum often are portrayed with a crest.

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    Roman art of all ,periods portrays a romantic ideal ! That is not to say they did or didn't have crests ,but would need archaeological and written sources to back a piece of art .


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    Quote Originally Posted by constantius View Post
    Roman art of all ,periods portrays a romantic ideal ! That is not to say they did or didn't have crests ,but would need archaeological and written sources to back a piece of art .
    Both Ammianus and Julian describe infantry wearing helmets with crests, as do other Late Roman/Early Byzantine authors. There are a number of 16th/17th Century pen and ink drawings of the now totally destroyed column of Arcadius and also of the mostly destroyed Column of Theodosius. These plainly show infantry wearing helmets both with and without crests, this would be a good indication that crested helmets existed or the sculptor would have had all the infantry depicted either with or without crests. The Column of Arcadius also shows guard infantry with large round 'Hoplon' type shields and other infantry with the more normal oval 'Scutum' type shields, more evidence that both types of shield were in use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentinian Victor View Post
    Both Ammianus and Julian describe infantry wearing helmets with crests, as do other Late Roman/Early Byzantine authors. There are a number of 16th/17th Century pen and ink drawings of the now totally destroyed column of Arcadius and also of the mostly destroyed Column of Theodosius. These plainly show infantry wearing helmets both with and without crests, this would be a good indication that crested helmets existed or the sculptor would have had all the infantry depicted either with or without crests. The Column of Arcadius also shows guard infantry with large round 'Hoplon' type shields and other infantry with the more normal oval 'Scutum' type shields, more evidence that both types of shield were in use.
    That would certainly qualify as evidence ,In my mind theres no doubt the Romans had crested helmets in the late antique
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    Default Re: What is this helmet called?

    Yes, that is true.

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    Default Re: What is this helmet called?

    i don't study into after about the end of the 6th cenury, but I have read about the kommegenian and palealogian dynasties.

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    I just deleted that bit ,it was a theory I had no evidence purely conjecture.You should read some of the later history of the Empire ,its absolutely fascinating


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    I read somewhere that senatorial officials and Magistri Militum often had yellow crests on their helmets. I'll have to find out where.

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