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    Default Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

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    Poor people who are desperate for cash have been advised to go forth and shoplift from major stores - by an Anglican priest.

    The Rev Tim Jones said in his Sunday sermon that stealing from successful shops was preferable to burglary, robbery or prostitution.

    He told parishioners it would not break the eighth commandment 'thou shalt not steal' because it 'is permissible for those who are in desperate situations to take food that they might not starve'.

    But his advice was roundly condemned by police and the local Tory MP. Father Jones, 42, was discussing Mary and the birth of Jesus when he went on to the subject of how poor and vulnerable people cope in the run-up to Christmas.

    'My advice, as a Christian priest, is to shoplift,' he told his stunned congregation at St Lawrence and St Hilda in York.

    'I do not offer such advice because I think that stealing is a good thing, or because I think it is harmless, for it is neither.

    'I would ask that they do not steal from small family businesses, but from large national businesses, knowing that the costs are ultimately passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices.

    'I would ask them not to take any more than they need. I offer the advice with a heavy heart. Let my words not be misrepresented as a simplistic call for people to shoplift.

    'The observation that shoplifting is the best option that some people are left with is a grim indictment of who we are.

    'Rather, this is a call for our society no longer to treat its most vulnerable people with indifference and contempt.

    'When people are released from prison, or find themselves suddenly without work or family support, then to leave them for weeks with inadequate or clumsy social support is monumental, catastrophic folly.

    'We create a situation which leaves some people little option but crime.'

    The father of two, whose parish has a wide mix of social conditions, said his advice to people in dire circumstances is that 'they should not hurt anybody and cope as best they can'.

    He added: 'The strong temptation is to burgle or rob people - family, friends, neighbours, strangers.

    'Others are tempted towards prostitution, a nightmare world of degradation and abuse for all concerned.

    Others are tempted towards suicide. Instead, I would rather that they shoplift.

    'The life of the poor in modern Britain is a constant struggle, a minefield of competing opportunities, competing responsibilities, obligations and requirements, a constant effort to achieve the impossible.

    'For many at the bottom of our social ladder, lawful, honest life can sometimes seem to be an apparent impossibility.'

    Anne McIntosh, the Tory MP for Vale of York, has campaigned in Parliament for stronger sentences for shoplifters.

    She said: 'I cannot condone inciting anyone to commit a criminal offence.

    'Shoplifting is a crime against the whole local community and society.'

    A North Yorkshire Police spokesman said: 'First and foremost, shoplifting is a criminal offence and to justify this course of action under any circumstances is highly irresponsible.

    'Turning or returning to crime will only make matters worse, that is a guarantee.'

    The Archdeacon of York, the Venerable Richard Seed, said: 'The Church of England does not advise anyone to shoplift, or break the law in any way.

    'Father Tim Jones is raising important issues about the difficulties people face when benefits are not forthcoming, but shoplifting is not the way to overcome these difficulties.

    'There are many organisations and charities working with people in need, and the Citizens' Advice Bureau is a good first place to call.'


    Does any other person reading this article find a certain degradation of the individual human spirit within? The most telling moment is, in fact, the very last 'paragraph' (though the grammar is so bad that I can hardly call it such): "the Citizens' Advice Bureau is a good first place to call". The C.A. bureaus are government-aided 'private' charities in the U.K. which merely act as programs for the culling away of individual responsibility. Here, the man is saying "Abandon good values, and just shoplift! The Citizens' Advice people will get you a free lawyer, so do as you wish." I find it disgusting that a Christian, let alone one in the confidence of his flock, should offer such advice.

    Isn't it interesting that he says "My advice, as a Christian priest, is to shoplift", then a few sentences later, it is: "Let my words not be misrepresented as a simplistic call for people to shoplift."

    What a dissociative world we live in...

    "I would ask that they do not steal from small family businesses, but from large national businesses, knowing that the costs are ultimately passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices."

    He's a Communist who hates successful corporations. Fare well, Church of England - I have no use for you.
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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    I think it's just a political statement condemning the lack of programs for the poor mate. Still, to say "shoplift" instead of entreating fellow Christians to share what they have is.... arrgh.
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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monarchist View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-shoplift.html



    Does any other person reading this article find a certain degradation of the individual human spirit within? The most telling moment is, in fact, the very last 'paragraph' (though the grammar is so bad that I can hardly call it such): "the Citizens' Advice Bureau is a good first place to call". The C.A. bureaus are government-aided 'private' charities in the U.K. which merely act as programs for the culling away of individual responsibility. Here, the man is saying "Abandon good values, and just shoplift! The Citizens' Advice people will get you a free lawyer, so do as you wish." I find it disgusting that a Christian, let alone one in the confidence of his flock, should offer such advice.

    Isn't it interesting that he says "My advice, as a Christian priest, is to shoplift", then a few sentences later, it is: "Let my words not be misrepresented as a simplistic call for people to shoplift."

    What a dissociative world we live in...

    "I would ask that they do not steal from small family businesses, but from large national businesses, knowing that the costs are ultimately passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices."

    He's a Communist who hates successful corporations. Fare well, Church of England - I have no use for you.
    That's a bizarre interpretation. This is just a man saying "is it stealing to take a loaf of bread to feed your starving family"? It's naive, but he's a shaman, so what can you expect.

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    but he's a shaman, so what can you expect.
    Sigh. Should I have expected so much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monarchist View Post
    Sigh. Should I have expected so much?
    No. Priests and theological differences is on the precise same level as Tolkien fans arguing if the Balrog had wings.

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Hes saying shoplift, but only under the conditions if your poor and have no other avenue to survive because (he says) other options are much worse. Which I wouldnt neccasarily agree with.
    There are usually charities that will help prevent you from actual starvation, though not much more I admit.
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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    I agree with him, screw the corporations.
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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    No. Priests and theological differences is on the precise same level as Tolkien fans arguing if the Balrog had wings.

    Not really. Nobody deludes themselves that Balrogs are real.

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    If I were homeless or living in absolute poverty that's what I would do so I can't really argue.

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    If I were homeless or living in absolute poverty that's what I would do so I can't really argue.
    That doesn't necessarily make it ok though.
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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by DimondLight View Post
    That doesn't necessarily make it ok though.
    It's far more Immoral to let your Children starve.

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    It's far more Immoral to let your Children starve.
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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    A refreshing sermon from Father 'Fingers' Jones

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Disgusting..


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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Great priest..
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    jesus was a communist.. so... how fitting

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    What happened to "You shall not steal"?

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    To be honest what he really should be encouraging hard up Christians to do is get a job and then they can earn money. And if they can't get a job they retrain and do something with themselves, a bit of proactivity God isn't going to do it for you.

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    What happened to "You shall not steal"?
    what happened to share yo bread and thy neighbor

    tho of course.. i am just loling... stealing is not cool

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    Default Re: Anglican priest downplays the immorality of shoplifting.

    Though I'm sure a multi-national company making countless millions in profit worldwide probably wouldn't be hurt by the odd can of beans going missing. Kind of one of those things that is harmless yet wrong in principal.

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