Christians, Bible, and the swine.

[Caucasus]

I just found something wierd to me

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...14&version=KJV


How come Christians eat pork when its clearly forbidden in Bible?

[Tankbuster]

There was a thread about this subject not so long ago (namely: Christians and Pork - An Explanation for Those who have been Lied to). The main subject became Christianity's often weird relationship with the Old Testament. I suggest you read that thread.

In summary:
According to the Christians the explanation is: because Jesus says that the laws of the Old Testament don't apply to Christians anymore.
According to some others the explanation is: because the relationship between Christians and the Old Testament has always been weird since that's the way it historically grew as the Christian sect grew away from its parent religion

[CtrlAltDe1337]

In summary:
According to the Christians the explanation is: because Jesus says that the laws of the Old Testament don't apply to Christians anymore.

There are three problems with your statement.

1. Its false
2. Its very false
3. Its completely false.

Jesus didn't just say "hay gaiz u can eats pork now, lolz"

I suggest you read the book of Hebrews before making such nonsensical statements. I can't believe so many of you claim to be educated and/or intellectuals yet fail to grasp the rudimentary concepts of the largest religion in the world.

[Angrychris]

jews dont eat pork but pork was not from there original region but from european regions. jews not eating pork was not original but made to seem like it was to help seperate jews from christians. Propaganda

[Ariovistus Maximus]

We are living in the "Church Age," which is a different dispensation than the Old Testament times.

Still, there are some amusing people who like to pretend they are more spiritual because they obey selected OT laws.

But they still wear clothing made of mixed fabrics, eat pork, etc.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I just found something wierd to me

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...14&version=KJV


How come Christians eat pork when its clearly forbidden in Bible?

Pick and mix Christianity. The vast majority of Christians are unaware of what is in the Bible, and those who are simply pick to follow some things and ignore others.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

Pick and mix Christianity. The vast majority of Christians are unaware of what is in the Bible, and those who are simply pick to follow some things and ignore others.

Dispensations, my good man; dispensations.

That is Jewish law; we are not Jewish. Call them hypocritical for not stoning their kids if you like, but not Christians.

Well, you could scoff at the Catholics if you must...

[removeduser_487563287433]

Dispensations, my good man; dispensations.

That is Jewish law; we are not Jewish. Call them hypocritical for not stoning their kids if you like, but not Christians.

Well, you could scoff at the Catholics if you must...

No, you are just proving my point. Anybody can point you to the bit in the Bible where Jesus says the Old Testament's law still counts, but that usually is firmly filed under "ignore" for most Christians.

[Ariovistus Maximus]

No, you are just proving my point. Anybody can point you to the bit in the Bible where Jesus says the Old Testament's law still counts, but that usually is firmly filed under "ignore" for most Christians.

I can't help it if you don't subscribe to widely-accepted Biblical interpretation. It's quite clear that God is currently dealing with man under a new set of laws.

For example, we don't have to offer sacrifices in Jerusalem every year. Christ was the final atonement.

[boofhead]

No, you are just proving my point. Anybody can point you to the bit in the Bible where Jesus says the Old Testament's law still counts, but that usually is firmly filed under "ignore" for most Christians.

I guess you choose to ignore quite a few things about the Christian Bible.

Like the fact that Jews had different types of law. And that Jesus spoke of not taking away the law for Jews - for they will be judged by it; and even supported not having a woman stoned - which was part of Jewish customary law.

You also ignore the verses quoted earlier in the thread in which it states that nothing is of itself unclean. That a Christian of Jewish ancestry going into a gentile home should eat whatever is offered him, whether it is customarily clean or not. Or where it says that it's okay for a Christian of Jewish ancestry to eat whatever he wants, except when to be seen doing so might negatively effect his Jewish brother who he may be trying to convert.

I could go on, but it seems kind of pointless as you intentionally ignore all these Christian tenets in favour of mentioning only one line of Jesus, which when in taken in context with the rest of the scripture, is obviously not a statement to be read the way you would blindly claim it is.

Billions of the world's Christians are not complete illiterate morons, you know. Many millions of them take their faith very seriously and are far more versed in the scriptures than you. Some spend their entire lives studying and living it - what makes your off-hand, throw away interpretation of one verse, reade completely out of context, superior to theirs?

[Gromovnik]

How come Christians eat pork when its clearly forbidden in Bible?

Because it's tasty.

[boofhead]

because Jesus says that the laws of the Old Testament don't apply to Christians anymore.

Not quite. The moral laws are applicable to Christians, like then Ten Commandments for example, but not the customary Jewish laws, like dietary restrictions and various animal sacrifices and whatnot. After all, Christians are gentiles, and not Jews.

[Fiyenyaa]

Not quite. The moral laws are applicable to Christians, like then Ten Commandments for example, but not the customary Jewish laws, like dietary restrictions and various animal sacrifices and whatnot. After all, Christians are gentiles, and not Jews.

Interesting. I take it that the "moral teaching" of stoning an unruly child to death at the edge of town is still followed then?

[boofhead]

Interesting. I take it that the "moral teaching" of stoning an unruly child to death at the edge of town is still followed then?

No, that was a Jewish customary / punitive law. It's got nothing to do with gentile societies. If you'll remember the words of Jesus when he came across the woman about to be stoned to death?

If you read the NT you'll get a better understanding.

[cfmonkey45]

I just found something wierd to me

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...14&version=KJV


How come Christians eat pork when its clearly forbidden in Bible?

According to Jewish tradition, GOD gave the Israelites the 613 Mitzvot, or laws, to identify and differentiate the Jews from non-Jews. It is interesting to note that individuals like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were considered men of God and Holy without the 613 Mitzvot. They lived several hundred years prior to the exodus, and thus did not have the laws, yet lived on a Covenant with GOD.

In Romans, Paul speaks about the Old Covenant and the other laws, and makes a theological discourse.

1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a]
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7"Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him."[b]

9Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 12And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations."[c] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

18Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be."[d] 19Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah's womb was also dead. 20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

In Acts 15, we have the Council of Jerusalem that decided this.

22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
30The men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the brothers. 33After spending some time there, they were sent off by the brothers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them.[d] 35But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

[Taiji]

Middle eastern peoples are bad at raising pigs, I think that's all there is to this.

[Gromovnik]

They're jealous of our sausages. Just like women.

[Helm]

Probably because Jesus forgave them for their sins so they may as well. And this.

[maerd2003]

i found this, it may be related..

[Boer]

There is at least one Christian sect that does not eat pork (Seventh-day Adventists).
As for clean and unclean food, there are passages of the Bible that can be quoted to show that those requirements are no longer in effect:

Mark 7:14-19

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Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.'
After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

Romans 14: 1-3, 20

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Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. . . . [vs20] Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

I'm sure some one more skilled in the Bible could come up with more similar texts.