Obedience

**mattyr2** · December 24, 2009, 09:56 AM

Can someone tell me what obedience actually does?

**Swanny777** · December 24, 2009, 10:20 AM

They are less likely to go rebel against the faction when the obedience is high.

**Hermes Trismegistos** · December 24, 2009, 10:31 AM

I thought this was loyality

?

If it hasn't changed from vanilla piety (I think it's only the name, correct me if I'm mistaken) it increases public order in a settlement and for evil characters it increases their survival chance vs. servants of Sauron (inquisitors).

**Altimis** · December 24, 2009, 11:19 AM

obedience = make ppls less to rebel against your faction [rebel army popup], help convert ppls into your faction [aka culture] work like piety help convert ppls to your own religion, instead TATW use obedience because TATW didn't have religion system.

I believe...

**Ozzmosis** · December 24, 2009, 11:31 AM

Perhaps, since it doesn't really do much for the Good Factions, I have an idea. For the good guys, it can be resistance to objects of wealth or power, such as palantiri and the ring itself. The guys with low resistance (eg middle-men in Rohan, Gondor and Dale, as well as Dwarves), would be more likely they are to go crazy and go on a rampage when they have acquired these things, but characters with high resistance (elves and Aragorn?) would be better able to control and use them.

**mattyr2** · December 24, 2009, 12:04 PM

How would you get this up? It never seems to happen, it always seems to be from a side effect of other things
eg.
+1 command
+1 moral
-1 obedience
I really hope we can get this cleared up

**Hermes Trismegistos** · December 24, 2009, 12:07 PM

Well I have seen traits like "Very obedient" - if it works like piety it should go up with cultural/religious buildings, but now that I think about it I can't remember ever having noticed a general getting such a trait if he didn't have it from the beginning...

**FriendoftheDork** · December 24, 2009, 09:45 PM

I'm fairly sure Obedience AKA Piety increases income. I'd test it a bit though, but I think it replaced "acumen" from MTW and "management" from RTW.

Loyalty is what keeps generals and captains from becoming rebels.

Respect/Fear is what gets you happiness boosts in cities (among other things).

The "very obedient" trait is a line that usually comes from building religous/educational buildings. Basically if you take a general who lacks the trait, build a lvl 1 education facility with the general as governor, he increases obedience by 1.

**ChivalricPanda** · December 24, 2009, 11:04 PM

ugh i hate obedience

**Lordinquisitor** · December 25, 2009, 07:59 AM

Obedience reduces the chance that Servants of Sauron kill your Generals.. Ofc, Servants of Sauron won`t bother the good guys so obedience is unimportant for them.

**Seleukos_I.** · December 25, 2009, 10:13 AM

I'd prefer if the team would replace obedience with management from Britannia.

**Outlawstar15a2** · December 25, 2009, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by mattyr2

Can someone tell me what obedience actually does?

Obedience seems to be equivalent to loyalty is vanilla Medieval 2. The higher it is, the less likely a general is to rebel or incite a civil war. Also the lower it is the more likely they are to take a bribe.

**Santeri** · December 26, 2009, 03:53 AM

No

Loyalty is still loyalty. Obedience is same as piety.

**mattyr2** · December 26, 2009, 08:59 AM

so, anyone have any good tips for increaseing obedience?

**Hermes Trismegistos** · December 26, 2009, 09:32 AM

Build cultural buildings, take part in invasions if you're evil.

Usually I don't care very much. Piety was always the most unimportant attribute for me, now it's obedience...