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    Default Knowledge: Liberator or Opressor?

    Throughout all history, since the beginnings of academia, knowledge has been a tool for both liberation and opression. From the earliest schools of Greece and Rome to the modern United States of America, knowledge has been a powerful weapon weilded by the rich to opress the poor, and elevate the worthy from squalor to riches.

    In Graeco-Roman society, knowledge was limited to those who could afford tutors, usually brilliant Greek philosophers. Plato founded an academy and wrote The Republic, inspired by the deeds and words of the brilliant Socrates. Plato suggested that in the ideal society, the ones who held knowledge -philosophers, literally bringers of wisdom- were to have the power. As we know, they would determine a man's role in society: knowledge was an opressor... but also a liberator, for if the philosophers deemed a man worthy, regardless of his rank- he could be elevated to the highest of heights in civilization.

    Centuries lates, knowledge dragged Europe valliantly from the squalor of the Dark Ages: the wisdom of the ancients guided men to greater actions: all about, Republics were founded, art was made, and scholarliness blossomed outside of monasteries. During the Renaissance, Niccolo Machiavelli commented on the role of power through his most famous texts Discoursi en Tito Livio and Il Principe. The two adressed power in wildly different manners, but Machiavelli seemed to suggest that -through Principe- any ruler -even a tyrant- needed to be knowledgable in both academics and military arts; knowledge, in Machiavelli's mind, reigned supreme as an opressor.

    During the life of Machiavelli and later, Latin and Greek were the languages of the academics, the rich and powerful. They who could carry out conversations in the ancient languages were brilliant indeed, and were reveered for their skill. That knowledge of Latin and Greek also served as a barrier between the rich and the poor, however. While that was then, and nowadays Latin and Greek are belittled rather than respected, and their retainers have devolved from brilliant politicians to impotent college professors and high school teachers, the language barrier -knowledge as an opressor- prevails. In English, there are many who are unable to speak their native language at all: Ebonics and Spanglish run rampant through our streets, and sepparate the educated from the uneducated: Those who speak well are commonly seen as superior, in the eyes of the powerful (no longer, though are the brilliant and the powerful one and the same, especially in the United States, idiocy has overrun the highest echelons of society and government).

    So, is Knowledge a liberator or an opressor? I'd say it has the potential to be both, what do you think?


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    An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred.
    "When I die, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like Fidel Castro, not screaming in terror, like his victims."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred.
    Depending on one's views of warfare, and the state of the fortress in question, this could either be a beneficial or detremental thing...


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    Knowledge as a liberator or oppressor is determined by its access.
    An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred.
    America wouldn't have been born if that were true. A certain group of people also wouldn't have "drank the kool-aid". I agree with Lepidus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred.
    "...and unguarded." Stealing WH40k quotes I see Phier.

    As for the OP: Universal knowledge is a liberator, controlled knowledge is an oppressor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred.
    Well, in the chaotic 21th Century, there is only war.

    All right, lets stop using Warhammer 40K quote...
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    knowledge is power, hide it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch-hereticK View Post
    knowledge is power, hide it well.
    Are there anymore warhammer quotes that are about this topic?

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    It liberates the intelligent and oppresses the stupid.

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    The restriction of knowledge, and its replacement with propaganda has long been a tool of cultural hegemony, and ultimately oppression by the ruling classes on those they seek to control. Ultimately, an educated lower class is feared above all else by the rich.

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    none "knowledge is a deadly friend if no one sets the rules. " kc/epitaph..
    "Surely Allah enjoins to do justice and to adopt good behavior and to give help to relatives-neighours(whoever you can reach), and forbids shameful acts, evil deeds and oppressive attitude. He exhorts you, so that you may be mindful." Qur'an; 16:90 (this is the verse that is recited every friday in sermons during the Friday Prayer rituals)
    "Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment." Prophet Muhammad

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    "The burnt hand teaches best"
    Knowledge has always been hard won, those who get it aren't always generous enough to share it.

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    knowledge itself is neither a liberator nor an oppressor. heck, knowledge itself isn't anything other than well, knowledge... it's what people do with it that determines how you see/judge it. oh, and there is another flaw in your question, your distinctions between "liberator" and "oppressor" are not very clear, because both terms are very subjective and depends on one's point of view...

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    Hi all,

    Knowledge is Both Liberator & Oppressor AND is neither.

    Why? It must be posited contextually.

    Qualitatively & Quantitatively.

    Let's not forget that ALL knowledge passes through the lens of "Self" which must be discussed further.

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    Possessed, knowledge can be both a liberator and an oppressor. He who believes he knows something is usually the fool.
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    Of course ideally it liberates and oppresses at the same time, the trick is to try to get more liberation than oppression where you can. More options and less restrictions. Build a flexible structure and then let usage build the restrictions, like the brain in way perhaps.

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    It oppresses the intelligent and liberates the stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iudas View Post
    It oppresses the intelligent and liberates the stupid.

    Please elaborate; I'm intrigued.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aulus Cornelius Lepidus View Post
    Please elaborate; I'm intrigued.
    As it makes the stupid feel intelligent, gives rise to things such as universal suffrage where everyone, no matter their qualification, gets a say.

    This inherently oppresses the intelligent as their opinions and ideas, which are far more important and valuable as they are made by a qualified mind, are devalued.

    That was my understanding of his words atleast.

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    I think that often you can only convice the stupid that you're right if you're willing to lie to them.

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