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    yes, south Korea, not north korea
    why?
    for lying to the IAEA about producing nukes; weapons grade enriched uranium for nukes;
    South Korea let off for nuclear deceptions
    By Gareth Porter

    WASHINGTON - In 2004, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) revealed that a member state had violated its Safeguards Agreement by carrying out covert uranium conversion and enrichment activities and plutonium experiments for more than two decades. The nature of some of those enrichment activities, moreover, raised legitimate suspicions of interest in a nuclear weapons program.

    The state was found to have lied to the IAEA even when the authority began investigating these suspicious activities, with the country concerned claiming that its laser enrichment research did not involve any use of nuclear material.

    If that sounds like a description of Iran's troubled relationship with




    the IAEA up to 2004, that's because it bears striking resemblance to it. In fact, it is a description of the deception of the IAEA by the government of South Korea.

    There was just one major difference between the South Korean and Iranian cases: Iran never enriched uranium at a level that could only represent an interest in nuclear weapons - but South Korea did.

    Yet the IAEA treated Iran as a state to be investigated indefinitely, after failing to give South Korea even a slap on the wrist.

    Even more remarkable is the fact that the two cases were the subject of IAEA reports issued within the same week in November 2004.

    Three months before the report on its nuclear activities was published, South Korea admitted to doing everything in violation of its Safeguards Agreement that Iran was found to have done up to 2003.

    In the early 1980s, South Korea carried out uranium conversion in a facility that was kept secret from the IAEA. It also secretly extracted plutonium from a hot cell, and had carried out at least 10 covert uranium enrichment experiments from 1993 through 2000 using undeclared natural uranium metal.

    South Korea used 3.5kg of natural uranium metal for its unreported enrichment experiments; Iran used 8.0kg of natural uranium for the same kind of experiments.

    But by the far most important finding by the IAEA was that, during a series of covert experiments in uranium enrichment using atomic vapor laser isolate separation (AVLIS) in 2000, Korean scientists enriched the uranium to 77%. South Korea finally admitted that experiment in its August 2004 declaration to the IAEA.

    "Not only did they have an undeclared uranium-enrichment program, but they were actually making something close to bomb-grade, so you have to conclude someone wanted to develop a capability to make nuclear weapons," said David Albright of the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security after the Korean violations were revealed.

    Despite covert activities that could only be reasonably interpreted as evidence of an intention to develop nuclear weapons, however, Seoul was given what amounted to a free pass.

    After its August 2004 confidential admission to its covert activities, South Korea mounted an aggressive diplomatic offensive, aimed at avoiding any legal consequences.

    First, South Korean officials put pressure on IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei not to disclose the enrichment in his report to the Governing Board. The South Koreans threatened to undermine ElBaradei's reelection bid, according to a November 25, 2004 Washington Post story.

    ElBaradei was well aware that South Korea's ally, the George W Bush administration, was seeking to oust ElBaradei because of his refusal to conform to US policies toward Iraq and Iran.

    Meanwhile, the Bush administration made no secret of the fact it wanted the IAEA Board of Governors to call for Iran to be reported to the UN Security Council.

    US officials understood that the South Korean covert enrichment and other violations were, if anything, worse than those of Iran. At least some officials were prepared to support a resolution in the IAEA Governing Board to send Korea's case to the Security Council in order to establish a precedent that could then be applied to Iran, according to the Post story.

    But the British, French and Germans were negotiating with Iran on an agreement under which Tehran would maintain its suspension of uranium enrichment, and they were threatening to send the Iranian file to the Security Council if Iran did not agree.

    Given those negotiations, ElBaradei felt no need to write a report that would be the basis of a resolution from the IAEA Board of Governors in late November 2004 to refer the South Korean case to the UN Security Council.

    ElBaradei's November 11, 2004, report on South Korea confirmed that enrichment had gone as high as 77% but did not raise the obvious question of whether its covert nuclear activities had been military-related.

    It recounted without comment the South Korean authorities' explanation that both the plutonium and uranium enrichment experiments had been "performed without the knowledge or authorization of the government".

    Given the fact South Korea admitted the covert uranium enrichment was carried out by no less than 14 government scientists, an IAEA investigation was obviously in order. But the report gave no hint that there was any need to find out who authorized it and why.

    In effect, ElBaradei's report on South Korea effectively eliminated the issue from the agency's agenda.

    Three days after the report, Iran reached agreement with the Europeans on a voluntary suspension of enrichment and more negotiations. Since there was no chance of getting the Iranian case referred to the UN Security Council, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the South Koreans at a meeting in Chile that the United States was now prepared to "accept Seoul's explanation" for its covert enrichment to bomb-grade levels.

    That clearly signaled that the United States had decided against a resolution to send the South Korean case to the Security Council after the European agreement with Iran.

    The subject of South Korea's violations of its Safeguards Agreement was never raised again at an IAEA meeting. In 2007, an IAEA Safeguards report said the agency was "able to clarify all issues relating to past undeclared activities".

    It offered no explanation for the enrichment to bomb-grade levels and the obvious official falsehoods surrounding the activities, or for its own acquiescence in it.

    In contrast to ElBaradei's lack of curiosity about the obviously suspect official South Korean explanations for its bomb-grade enrichment, his report on Iran, issued four days later, concluded that it would "take longer than in normal circumstances" to "conclude that there are no undeclared nuclear materials or activities in Iran".

    The report suggested the IAEA would continue to pursue what it called "open source reports relating to dual use equipment and materials" in Iran. That meant that any technology, no matter how innocent, would now be treated as evidence of an Iranian covert nuclear weapons program.

    The double standard of treatment of the South Korean and Iranian cases implied that the United States had hard intelligence that Iran had exhibited an interest in nuclear weapons, whereas South Korea had not.

    However, the closest thing to such evidence in US possession was a set of documents of uncertain provenance and authenticity.
    On the other hand, nuclear physicists working in the Korean nuclear program, who had been recruited by the CIA, had reported in the mid-1970s that South Korea was carrying out a clandestine nuclear weapons program.

    The stark contrast between the treatment of the Iranian and South Korean cases by the IAEA Secretariat and its Board of Governors is the most dramatic evidence of a politically motivated nuclear double standard practiced by the agency and its Governing Board, dominated by the United States.

    And as the episode showed, that double standard essentially reflected the political-military interests of the US government.

    Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specializing in US national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published in 2006.
    source: http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KL22Ak02.html

    so...
    how soon can we place sanctions on south korea for violating the NPT?

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    When did South Korea violate the NPT? The article doesn't even claim that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    When did South Korea violate the NPT? The article doesn't even claim that.
    Post-NPT Programs

    The South Korean government insists that its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes only.[5]
    [edit] Previously unreported experiments

    In 1982, scientists at the Korean Atomic Energy Research Institute performed an experiment in which they extracted several milligrams of plutonium. Although plutonium has uses other than the manufacture of weapons, the United States later insisted that South Korea not attempt to reprocess plutonium in any way. In exchange, the US agreed to transfer reactor technology and give financial assistance to South Korea's nuclear energy program. It was revealed in 2004 that some South Korean scientists continued some studies; for example, in 1983 and 1984 Korea Atomic Energy Research Institute was conducting chemical experiments related to the handling of spent fuel that crossed the reprocessing boundary.[6]
    Later, in an experiment at the same facility in 2000, scientists enriched 200 milligrams of uranium to near-weapons grade (up to 77 percent) using laser enrichment.[6][7] The South Korean government claimed that this research was conducted without its knowledge.[5] While uranium enriched to 77 percent is usually not considered weapons-grade, it could theoretically be used to construct a nuclear weapon.[8][9] HEU with a purity of 20% or more is usable in a weapon, but this route is less desirable because far more material is required to obtain critical mass;[10] thus, the Koreans would have needed to produce much more material to construct a nuclear weapon.[5] This event and the earlier extraction of plutonium went unreported to the IAEA until late 2004.[6]
    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_K...t-NPT_Programs

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    Can and will are two different things. Sanctions can be imposed at any time, given that the Security Council votes on it and all the other bureaucratic paper-shuffling and political horse-trading is done.

    But "will" is another matter. South Korea is an important trading partner of the US, as well as the chief ally/proxy in containing the DPRK. In a fair world ROK would be facing sanctions as well, but since they're allied with the 'good guys' that's very unlikely to happen. The US is fairly certain that any nukes ROK makes won't be lobbed at US interests. So there you go.
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    Nothing in that shows a violation of the NPT.

    What's actually worrying is the government's claim that it had no idea such experiments were going on.
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    Hey, USA aren't the only people in the security council. China could push for sanctions too. Why? Well... I don't have a reason. I don't think anyone cares if SKorea builds up a couple of atomic bombs like NKorea has. It would even things out in fact, to the point that NKorea dictator could become destabilized.
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    China would Veto any sanctions before the USA had a chance to. They're a MAJOR trading partner with China, and are far more important to the chinese economy than the US'.

    Nobody would bother to even propose it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    China would Veto any sanctions before the USA had a chance to. They're a MAJOR trading partner with China, and are far more important to the chinese economy than the US'.
    Every now and then you read something that doesn't make sense. Being every piece of plastic and more in the US is made in China, this didn't makse sense.

    Table 7: China's Top Trade Partners 2008 ($ billion)

    United States 333.7
    South Korea 186.1

    http://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    China would Veto any sanctions before the USA had a chance to. They're a MAJOR trading partner with China, and are far more important to the chinese economy than the US'.

    Nobody would bother to even propose it.

    True true. On this situation, the US and China would both tear down any sanctions on South Korea. China doesn't even like North Korea that much even though they are both communist. Kim Jong Il is a wack-job.
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    http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5800.html

    US Trade with South Korea amounts to less than 80 Billion, Chinese Trade with South Korea is easily double that.

    Thusly, Chinese Trade with South Korea is more important to them than it is to the USA.

    I think you read what I was saying incorrectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5800.html

    US Trade with South Korea amounts to less than 80 Billion, Chinese Trade with South Korea is easily double that.

    Thusly, Chinese Trade with South Korea is more important to them than it is to the USA.

    I think you read what I was saying incorrectly.
    Not to knit pick, but you said that South Korea was more important to China than the US was to China as a trade partner, in fact you said 'far more' I think you wrote what you were saying incorrectly.
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    Of all the countries trying to get nukes in the world, S Korea is pretty close to the bottom on a scale of how much I would care if they did. What are they going to do? Launch a war to take over the absolute poohole that is N Korea?

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    to be quite honest, i cant really see iran being much of a threat to anyone once it has nukes either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    to be quite honest, i cant really see iran being much of a threat to anyone once it has nukes either
    Well, if you disregard their repeated comments "Death to America" "Death to the Jews"

    I mean thats not a threat (sarcasm)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Well, if you disregard their repeated comments "Death to America" "Death to the Jews"

    I mean thats not a threat (sarcasm)
    I've heard plenty of Americans talk about how we should nuke/bomb Iran (or the whole Middle East, for that matter). Doesn't mean it's likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I've heard plenty of Americans talk about how we should nuke/bomb Iran (or the whole Middle East, for that matter). Doesn't mean it's likely.
    They don't really mean it. No one does. It's kinda like "well, we could if we wanted". But we don't want to.
    It's more so a response to those who say "You can't even win in Afghanistan or Iraq".
    There are many things wrong with that statement which is thrown around a lot.

    First off, Iraq is won, afghanistan is undecided.

    Secondly, the US could carpet bomb a village where there are militants and screw the civilian deaths, but we don't.

    Thirdly, is that if the US really went to war with all our military, this war would be over in a month. However, we don't because we are occupied in defending many nations across the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post

    Thirdly, is that if the US really went to war with all our military, this war would be over in a month. However, we don't because we are occupied in defending many nations across the world.
    That's what the Persians said to Spartans. Indeed, they won the battle, but after 6 days and immeasurable casualties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    They don't really mean it. No one does. It's kinda like "well, we could if we wanted". But we don't want to.
    It's more so a response to those who say "You can't even win in Afghanistan or Iraq".
    There are many things wrong with that statement which is thrown around a lot.

    First off, Iraq is won, afghanistan is undecided.

    Secondly, the US could carpet bomb a village where there are militants and screw the civilian deaths, but we don't.

    Thirdly, is that if the US really went to war with all our military, this war would be over in a month. However, we don't because we are occupied in defending many nations across the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    They don't really mean it. No one does. It's kinda like "well, we could if we wanted". But we don't want to.
    No, many Americans say it exactly like that: "We should nuke Iran to dust and kill all Iranians".

    I'm not saying all Americans think like that, but many do intensely hate Muslims and want to commit genocide on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by scottypd54 View Post
    Secondly, the US could carpet bomb a village where there are militants and screw the civilian deaths, but we don't.
    They did gave Saddam mustard gas to kill whole villages during the Iraq/Iran war.

    And it's not like they have been extremely careful to avoid civilian casualties during the Iraq occupation either.



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