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Elections are due to begin on the 15th.
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I agree that the poll should start on the 15th of May taking into account the last consul election: https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...XI-2021-Consul
However, like for any election here or in RL, the process should be completed before the current term ends. Unless I'm mistaken, the procedure is 4 days for the application thread and 7 days for the poll.
That means, and still considering the last consul election, that an application thread and and debate thread should have been already made prior to the poll for the coming election.
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So if you agree with me that the election should start on the 15th then what are you complaining about?
Or are you suggesting the Const. should be amended so that elections start earlier?
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You miss/ignore the point. The poll should start on the 15th of may, meaning that the application and debate threads should have been setup on the 12th of May. We're already the 14th and still no threads. Hence my question from yesterday.
As it is now, if you start on the 15th, it means the poll will start on the 19th earlier, meaning that your current term will end on the 26th, about 4 days after it should.
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I do not know why people think that the election needs to be concluded one day before the end of the previous term. In every real life situation, the conclusion of an election is well before the person takes office. There is no reason why the election could have taken place already. Given that is some elections, candidates are difficult to come by, it is not a bad idea to do so.
Last January, the delay was about 9 days. Are we gonna do the same now? If yes, we need to clarify the duration of the consul term which is 4 months, not 4 months plus or minus a week.
And as you mentionned RL situation, what would you think if for your next presidential election, Biden decides to do it on December or during the following January instead of November? Same principle applies here. A bit of rigor for once wouldn't hurt the curia.
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Yes, no need to elect in the 11th hour. A Consul is an administrator of a sub-forum. An outgoing consul would not be a "lame duck" consul.
It probably should have already been done, but having a set date for each term of Consul with elections taking place a set time prior. For example
Jan. 1 - Mar. 31
Apr. 1 - Jul. 31
Aug. 1 - Dec. 31
Have the election process start 3 weeks prior. In this case it would be set days
Mar. 10
Jul. 10
Dec. 10
Obviously, I would not pick these particular dates because Christmas/ New Year would be a terrible tie for an election.
I think you get the gist. This would remove all ambiguity in the election process.
We can do the same thing for the Magistrate as well.
According to the application thread the consul's term apparently has already expired. Or it's a lazy copy\paste from the last time when it actually was.
The debate thread is here.
One might have reasonably expected for the election to be announced in this thread, but then experience lately has shown that it's rather a case of 'it ain't in the rules, it ain't apply' - like timely elections.
Or basing decisions on reality.
Or being accountable.
The Constitution needs a spelling check here;
All former administrators who have served at least six months are also eligible to identify as a Partician.3
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i copied this from the curent votting procedure:
I want to ask why curia members have different law standards than every other members?
If a Concul aplicant needs only ONE month without a moderation warning then whey Opifex needs SIX (6) ?
That is a case of double standards. Opifex awards are for modders that atleast do not directly affect the "life" of the site members as a Concul does. Then why this huge difference?
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That is actually redundant/lacking in explanation I guess; any citizen who receives a moderation warning (aka infraction) and does not appeal it/loses the appeal, will have their Citizenship suspended as long as the infraction lasts. If in the meanwhile they incur in other infractions, the suspension period will of course extend. Curial warnings do not exist anymore, afaik (formerly known as Citizen referrals).
So, if a Citizen has an active infraction, they cannot apply for any Curial office, since they are suspended (Curial-wise). After they are allowed back in the ranks, so to say, they are allowed to apply for any Curial position.
Anyways,
Are you wondering if the Constitution needs a throughout check up and a lot of minor formative changes? Yes it does.. quite a lot of people, even recently, have proposed a rewrite of the Consitution, but none of those has ever been put to vote (afaik).Any Curial Officer receiving a Moderation or Curial warning is immediately removed from office.
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You did not answer my question. Why a candidate Concul has to have only ONE month since the last expired infraction to run for the office and a candidate for Opifex has to have SIX months from his last expired infraction? WHY those double measures. AREN'T all members under the same laws? Why this destirmination espesialy for an office with RESPONSIBILLITIES?
TGC in order to continue its development seak one or more desicated scripters to put our campaign scripts mess to an order plus to create new events and create the finall missing factions recruitment system. In return TGC will give permision to those that will help to use its material stepe by step. The result will be a fully released TGC plus many mods that will benefit TGC's material.
Despite the mod is dead does not mean that anyone can use its material
read this to avoid misunderstandings.
IWTE tool master and world txt one like this, needed inorder to release TGC 1.0 official to help TWC to survive.
Adding MARKA HORSES in your mod and create new varietions of them. Tutorial RESTORED.
^^ Flinn has actually answered to your question by saying that the Constitution needs to be reviewed. I don't think that anybody will be able to give you a better explanation for now.
This is obviously another point that needs to be checked in any case.
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Also, it might be worth to further distinguish between Curial Offices and Awards. Curial Offices are temporary (4 months), awards are "forever", since only Administration (Hex) can strip a member of their awards (afaik it only happened when said members are indefinitely suspended, aka banned). Also, any member can ask Hex to strip them of their awards, but they can still ask them back.
As a matter of fact, if one is Ostrakoned, they will lose the Citizenship and Patrician "rank", but won't lose all the Curial awards they received.
In any case I personally don't think that any disciplinary barrier should be put to Awards, but this is just, like, my opinion, man, and ofc it's worth a separate discussion.
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TGC in order to continue its development seak one or more desicated scripters to put our campaign scripts mess to an order plus to create new events and create the finall missing factions recruitment system. In return TGC will give permision to those that will help to use its material stepe by step. The result will be a fully released TGC plus many mods that will benefit TGC's material.
Despite the mod is dead does not mean that anyone can use its material
read this to avoid misunderstandings.
IWTE tool master and world txt one like this, needed inorder to release TGC 1.0 official to help TWC to survive.
Adding MARKA HORSES in your mod and create new varietions of them. Tutorial RESTORED.