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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    Anyway, why is The Citizens Handbook a non-sticky instead of having it as a sticky since it has a purpose.
    I'm all ears on its purpose either constitutionally or in actual practice, assuming a case where the latter hasn't been trounced on ad nauseam for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    I believe you are confused a bit there, Pike. That's not a "standard" on applications, that's simply stating that the patron and the nominee work together to create the application. There is no actual requirement there for any degree or level of actual evidence, or for that matter require any evidence.

    But now that pedantry is past...
    You are incorrect

    Standard: a level of quality or attainment.

    The candidate and patron formulate an application which highlights the candidate's contributions along with any supporting evidence/information.
    It states rather clearly what must be included in the application. The term "information" is rather nebulous creating a very low standard for support.
    If you want to claim no standard, then the sentence must end at "application."

    Outside of the Constitution there is this "Guide" that "set"an informal standard.

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    Default Re: Townhall - Curial Commentary and Chat

    Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I can't tell.

    I'm all ears on its purpose either constitutionally or in actual practice, assuming a case where the latter hasn't been trounced on ad nauseam for years.
    I'm not really sure why it was unstickied, but now that it has been I wonder if there is really anything in there worth being stickied?

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    The point stands that someone should make a minimal effort to present a character, and a good case among membership can be argued that the application is lazy and should be done better. Full out saying 'do your own research' is running counter to constitutional word of law. The implication to me is that an applicant should be making a full case from the outset, and that it is constitutionally lazy to do otherwise.

    But again, a minimum can be argued by members and if just enough is presented for a 'he tried' sticker + the majority of participants just roll with it without issues, there's not much to be done. Might be worth discussing further, but my own laziness on the point is also covered in p2 here,


    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    I'm not really sure why it was unstickied, but now that it has been I wonder if there is really anything in there worth being stickied?
    It would be worth the sticky if, in descending order, we remotely had
    - any degree of citizen standards for behavior in code
    - any degree of citizen standards informally we hold each other to (that's been long pitched, and vehemently so by the end)
    - a real culture of mutual inter-citizen and citizen with member respect (otherwise I witness plenty treading the line + partisanship + occasional outright infractions)
    - much citizen activity at all on their own
    - the site activity to justify the citizen split being distinguished and not another color of current normal members who've stuck around

    While it is true the authority figure (ie, me) has the capability to influence the mass, it is my belief that the mass has influenced itself beyond recovery on these points, and thus the validity of even pinning an informal code where people's eyes glaze over and its citation can be dismissed in milliseconds. It doesn't help I tend to be more reactionary in nature, or act best independently with support from really any level (above equal or below). Lacking instigation for both and the independent spree being about dry, there is no reason for me to commit to recovering these points including the thread that one odd user has publicly noticed well over a month since it's been unpinned.

    In other words I don't think so. But per the reactionary, the offer is open if someone can make a counter case and is willing to be a persistent figure in realizing it.
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    Default Re: Townhall - Curial Commentary and Chat

    I object to unsticking the only sticky with my name on it.

    Also, I believe it was a decision to make it and sticky it. So you cant really unsticky on your own.

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    I can do whatever I god damned please, PAL

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    I can do whatever I god damned please, PAL
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    Default Re: Townhall - Curial Commentary and Chat

    No.. its a decision made by the CVRIA so only the CVRIA can revert it.

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    Only the Consul can.
    Just to be clear, I was joking.

    But at the same time, a Censors power is whatever part of the Consuls authority he chooses to extend. While I do have the authority to unsticky or sticky threads I didn't do that in this case.

    No.. its a decision made by the CVRIA so only the CVRIA can revert it.
    If you can message/pm/discord me the decision that created the thread I will resticky the thread (provided it hasn't been repealed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    The standard for applications are as follows;

    Taken from the constitution

    It is arguably a "low" standard. The application contains a listing of the client's contribution along with endorsements of his application of other citizens. The criterion has been met.
    We have had similar applications in the past pass without problems.

    People need to chill.
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    Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I can't tell.
    You claimed there is no standard and you are 100% wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    I'm not really sure why it was unstickied, but now that it has been I wonder if there is really anything in there worth being stickied?
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    No.. its a decision made by the CVRIA so only the CVRIA can revert it.
    You are also 100% wrong with the Citizens' Handbook.

    It was proposed to be stickied along with updated changes. See here.
    I propose that this updated version of the Citizen's Handbook be stuck in the Curia, and that Section A thereof be included in the PM sent to each new citizen by the Curator at their discretion.
    It took literally no time to get this information. I am not sure why people are not using due diligence when taking action or "justifying" their actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    You are also 100% wrong with the Citizens' Handbook.
    For trying to prove him 100% wrong, you managed to prove his point - the pin was done by decision and thus cannot be undone willy nilly - 100%. So, thanks for giving me the evidence he's right I guess. Repinned.
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    A new Artifex has been proposed...check it out!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Commodus View Post
    For trying to prove him 100% wrong, you managed to prove his point - the pin was done by decision and thus cannot be undone willy nilly - 100%. So, thanks for giving me the evidence he's right I guess. Repinned.
    Thanks for clearing that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Baltar View Post
    A new Artifex has been proposed...check it out!!
    The poll is up!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Commodus View Post
    Per the OP's prompting, the poll has been added and I may or may not have set it up correctly.
    I think the poll is what the previous poll was, not set it up correctly.

    Besides the poll cannot be in here, instead move it to Curia Vote.
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    Default Re: [Artifex] Visarion [Patron: Gaius Baltar]

    Besides the poll cannot be in here, instead move it to Curia Vote.
    That is incorrect.

    Per the constitution a poll is added to the original thread, no new thread is created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    I think the poll is what the previous poll was, not set it up correctly.

    Besides the poll cannot be in here, instead move it to Curia Vote.
    The poll is what the previous poll was, which constitutionally and numerically (as far as people commenting) opposes your case despite the insistence it was wrong.

    Now, if you can constitutionally prove otherwise, be my guest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardo View Post
    I think the poll is what the previous poll was, not set it up correctly.

    Besides the poll cannot be in here, instead move it to Curia Vote.
    The poll is set up correctly and is REQUIRED BY LAW to be here. The poll has to be public when the voting period ends and it has to be in the original thread. IT IS THE LAW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Adrian View Post
    The poll is set up correctly and is REQUIRED BY LAW to be here. The poll has to be public when the voting period ends and it has to be in the original thread. IT IS THE LAW.
    Is it?

    The result of a poll are always public, but not during a voting process and that's why I posted about it.
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    Default Re: [Artifex] Visarion [Patron: Gaius Baltar]

    But the results aren't public right now. What are you talking about?

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