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You are incorrect
Standard: a level of quality or attainment.
It states rather clearly what must be included in the application. The term "information" is rather nebulous creating a very low standard for support.The candidate and patron formulate an application which highlights the candidate's contributions along with any supporting evidence/information.
If you want to claim no standard, then the sentence must end at "application."
Outside of the Constitution there is this "Guide" that "set"an informal standard.
A tittle further down the page there is this adviseWhat makes a "good" Citizen?
Each Citizen will give you a different answer to this, and in truth here is no right or wrong person to sponsor for Citizenship so long as they meet the requirements to become one. There are however a few questions to ponder when considering a member to patronise:
Is the member civil, helpful, and friendly?
Where do they frequent on the forum? What areas do you think they represent on the forum?
Do they contribute in some way to the forum?
What you define as a "contribution" is what the Citizenry will concentrate on in any application. Contribute doesn't mean they have to be the greatest member of all time, having created a mod, wrote hundreds of pages of Content and won numerous arguments in the Mudpit. In fact simply posting is a good contribution as it helps keep the site turning and traffic high. Consider all of the below fair gain as people you could approach for Citizenship, but it is not all encompassing. By all means ff you think someone should be a Citizen, sponsor them!
Modders– Skinners, historical experts, coders, PR Guru’s etc
Debaters– Debaters in the Political Mudpit, Athenaeum, "Ethos, Mores et Monastica" etc.
Helpful members – helping users in the Basement, Personal Help and Advice or Technical Help areas for the games etc
Good regular friendly posters. Those sharing their Travel Diaries in the Travelers' Lodge. Total War experts. Avatar and graphics creators. Sporting debaters in Universitas Ludus Olympus etc. Historical experts in Vestigia Vetustatis etc
Content authors both in Content Staff and out. Those who provide content to keep other members interested for example reviewers and guide writers etc.
Community RPG Leaders and Multiplayer games managers such as Total War hotseat games etc.
To reiterate, the list is endless and there is no right or wrong person to patronise. Sometimes people are scared too put in a Citizenship application but you never should be!. For example I became a Citizen with less than 200 posts and very little on board in terms of contributions. Sometimes being a friendly face on the forum is enough so long as you sell it in the Citizenship application correctly.
Even here it does not sate that you must include links.Remember to include links to posts and threads where you can help verify your paragraph.
A low standard does not mean no standard.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I can't tell.
I'm not really sure why it was unstickied, but now that it has been I wonder if there is really anything in there worth being stickied?I'm all ears on its purpose either constitutionally or in actual practice, assuming a case where the latter hasn't been trounced on ad nauseam for years.
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The point stands that someone should make a minimal effort to present a character, and a good case among membership can be argued that the application is lazy and should be done better. Full out saying 'do your own research' is running counter to constitutional word of law. The implication to me is that an applicant should be making a full case from the outset, and that it is constitutionally lazy to do otherwise.
But again, a minimum can be argued by members and if just enough is presented for a 'he tried' sticker + the majority of participants just roll with it without issues, there's not much to be done. Might be worth discussing further, but my own laziness on the point is also covered in p2 here,
It would be worth the sticky if, in descending order, we remotely had
- any degree of citizen standards for behavior in code
- any degree of citizen standards informally we hold each other to (that's been long pitched, and vehemently so by the end)
- a real culture of mutual inter-citizen and citizen with member respect (otherwise I witness plenty treading the line + partisanship + occasional outright infractions)
- much citizen activity at all on their own
- the site activity to justify the citizen split being distinguished and not another color of current normal members who've stuck around
While it is true the authority figure (ie, me) has the capability to influence the mass, it is my belief that the mass has influenced itself beyond recovery on these points, and thus the validity of even pinning an informal code where people's eyes glaze over and its citation can be dismissed in milliseconds. It doesn't help I tend to be more reactionary in nature, or act best independently with support from really any level (above equal or below). Lacking instigation for both and the independent spree being about dry, there is no reason for me to commit to recovering these points including the thread that one odd user has publicly noticed well over a month since it's been unpinned.
In other words I don't think so. But per the reactionary, the offer is open if someone can make a counter case and is willing to be a persistent figure in realizing it.
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I object to unsticking the only sticky with my name on it.
Also, I believe it was a decision to make it and sticky it. So you cant really unsticky on your own.
I can do whatever I god damned please, PAL
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No.. its a decision made by the CVRIA so only the CVRIA can revert it.
Just to be clear, I was joking.Only the Consul can.
But at the same time, a Censors power is whatever part of the Consuls authority he chooses to extend. While I do have the authority to unsticky or sticky threads I didn't do that in this case.
If you can message/pm/discord me the decision that created the thread I will resticky the thread (provided it hasn't been repealed).No.. its a decision made by the CVRIA so only the CVRIA can revert it.
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You claimed there is no standard and you are 100% wrong.
You are also 100% wrong with the Citizens' Handbook.
It was proposed to be stickied along with updated changes. See here.
It took literally no time to get this information. I am not sure why people are not using due diligence when taking action or "justifying" their actions.I propose that this updated version of the Citizen's Handbook be stuck in the Curia, and that Section A thereof be included in the PM sent to each new citizen by the Curator at their discretion.
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Neither is this the dawn from the east, nor is a dragon flying above, nor are the gables of this hall aflame. Nay, mortal enemies approach in ready armour. Ravens are calling, wolves are howling, spear clashes and shield answers
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Neither is this the dawn from the east, nor is a dragon flying above, nor are the gables of this hall aflame. Nay, mortal enemies approach in ready armour. Ravens are calling, wolves are howling, spear clashes and shield answers
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That is incorrect.Besides the poll cannot be in here, instead move it to Curia Vote.
Per the constitution a poll is added to the original thread, no new thread is created.
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But the results aren't public right now. What are you talking about?
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