Greek Sacred War Bands/Spartan Hoplites

[SacredAvail]

Is it possible to recruit Sacred War Bands as the greeks? What buildings do I need?

Is it possible to recruit Spartan Hoplites anywhere else than Sparta?

[Dust be in Thy Mouth, Infidel!]

Is it possible to recruit Sacred War Bands as the greeks? What buildings do I need?

Not normally, but you can change the files to get them.

Is it possible to recruit Spartan Hoplites anywhere else than Sparta?

Yes.

[Dave Strider]

Answer to first question: No. I don't know why, but no.

Answer to 2nd question: You can recruit them in Sparta and Syracuse. But, you need one hell of a barracks.

[Dust be in Thy Mouth, Infidel!]

Correction: You can recruit them anywhere as long as you have the required barracks.

[SacredAvail]

Correction: You can recruit them anywhere as long as you have the required barracks.

It's odd though, I have I think level 3 barracks in Sparta and recruit them, but I have the highest level barracks in other cities and cannot. Do I need a certain building as well?

[Dust be in Thy Mouth, Infidel!]

Um...maybe a different temple...or I could be wrong about my first statement...

[Dave Strider]

Like I said, only Sparta and Syracuse.

[C-Rob]

Though you can change that in the files as well...

But as for the sacred band, the only place I've seen them acquired ever is in the XGM mod- Theban Sacred Band(as you can guess, recruitable only from Thebes).

In Vanilla it is strictly carthaginian.

[debux]

Though you can change that in the files as well...

But as for the sacred band, the only place I've seen them acquired ever is in the XGM mod- Theban Sacred Band(as you can guess, recruitable only from Thebes).

In Vanilla it is strictly carthaginian.

The Greek Wars also portrays them (actually they are even better that spartans it seems! at least in the numbers). It a nice mod, but I think it needs a bit more development. Cavalry is very powerful (from what I know in greece cavalry wasn't very powerful or important), and the units are to similar. It does have very nice shields, and lots of greek factions and I feel great when I play it.

[Spartan198]

But as for the sacred band, the only place I've seen them acquired ever is in the XGM mod- Theban Sacred Band(as you can guess, recruitable only from Thebes).

No, the Greek Sacred Band in XGM isn't Thebes/Theban specific, it's a faction-wide unit.

[Genius of the Restoration]

I believe you can add the spartan resource to cities to allow them to be built in other provinces but someone who knows more about this sort of thing should be able to tell you.

[Hakomar]

Essentially, you have two options.
One is to remove the fact they need the hidden resource Sparta, the other, just plant Spartan resources elsewhere.

The Theban Sacred Band is not ingame, because Thebes was raised to the ground by Alexander the Great, some fifty years before RTW's time frame, however, there are models and skins for it, so it requires basic text changes to get them in. I can tell you later, if you want.

If you want the Carthaginian Sacred Band, then go to the edu and add the greek cities on the ownership part.

[|Sith| Max]

Check the darn building browser. you need the temple of nike if i remember correctly.

[Paedric]

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Taken from the EDB, so, as you can see, you need the fourth or the fifth barracks.

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Sicilia_Graecus
	Syracuse
	macedon
	Syracusans
	198 178 13
	grain, timber, slaves, dogs, pigs, sparta, italy
	5
	8
Laconia
	Sparta
	macedon
	Helots
	244 13 24
	slaves, dogs, pigs, sparta

And here are the region that have the hidden_ressource sparta.

So, basically, you can recruit the Spartans in either Sparta or Syracuse, with the Greek Cities, and with the last two barracks.

I hope this clarify it.

[Delta21]

Check the darn building browser. you need the temple of nike if i remember correctly.

False, if you are reffering to sacred band...they can be recruited only if you build an Awesome Temple of Baal...and if you were reffering to the spartans, you are wrong again because you need 5th level barracks to recruit them.

[|Sith| Max]

No i genuinely ed up the entire statement. i went ingame to check after i post it. All these years of pwning everything on MP has eroded my knowledge of the building browser of greece completely.

[Delta21]

No i genuinely ed up the entire statement. i went ingame to check after i post it. All these years of pwning everything on MP has eroded my knowledge of the building browser of greece completely.

It happens to the best of us

[|Sith| Max]

If it didn't the mistake would not make sense eh lol

[Zarax]

If you want more localized hoplites in a RTW-ish setting you should try XC or XGM, they won't affect your RTW install.

[Dave Strider]

Or RS. For god's sake, they have Hoplites for Tarentum!