Official complaining thread.

This thread is where you can complain about the game, even if it's not finished yet...

My complaints right now are that:

1. According to Empire the game's map's modding capabilities are zilch, kaput, nada. That should be changed.
2. I like more provinces in game. 60 provinces may sound like a lot or none at all but in my opinion there should be more.
3. DLC is a . They restrict the main game's content so they can milk your pockets for more. That's my view point.
4. Steam sucks, it's stupid that you have to download it by internet. I can understand it if you bought it from online but must you download it when you have the freaking disk by your side?!

Please if anybody posts in this topic, keep it clean.

1: Don't care as long as the main game works.
2: 60 is fine with me.
3: DLC is common practise and yes they are milking it, but that's OK - ppl don't *have* to buy them. They are providing additional content that maybe wasn't even thought about when the game was finished.
4: Steam is fine. I brought ETW and only had to download the updates.

No complaints here.

Originally Posted by trojanfoe

1: Don't care as long as the main game works.
2: 60 is fine with me.
3: DLC is common practise and yes they are milking it, but that's OK - ppl don't *have* to buy them. They are providing additional content that maybe wasn't even thought about when the game was finished.
4: Steam is fine. I brought ETW and only had to download the updates.

No complaints here.

About the third answer, oh yes it was. Why do you think we had so low numbers at the start? Why do you think no modding tools at all was from the start? Because it was well planned before the release.

Originally Posted by Willor

Why do you think no modding tools at all was from the start?

Because they've never released modding tools for any of their games?

Originally Posted by Willor

About the third answer, oh yes it was. Why do you think we had so low numbers at the start? Why do you think no modding tools at all was from the start? Because it was well planned before the release.

You don't know that; you're guessing. By the look of the state of the game they probably had more to worry about that this elite unit or that. It's all speculation; my views included.

Originally Posted by trojanfoe

3: DLC is common practise and yes they are milking it, but that's OK - ppl don't *have* to buy them. They are providing additional content that maybe wasn't even thought about when the game was finished.

you're kidding right? it's obvious the dlc contents were planned well ahead of time. the game isn't finished yet and they have all these screen shots showing each dlc unit. come on now, what does that tell you? special forces units appeared and suddenly the promised mod tools vanishes never to be mentioned again.

as for it being a common practice. and that makes it ok? when it becomes common practice to charge you for patches, maybe that'll be ok too.

Originally Posted by trojanfoe

You don't know that; you're guessing. By the look of the state of the game they probably had more to worry about that this elite unit or that. It's all speculation; my views included.

it's not speculation. there are evidence and proof that imply as such. they'll never come out and tell you their plans, the only way you'll know is by using the available facts. if they announced dlc, and it's been 9 months without the promised mod tools, it is definitely planned. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Originally Posted by johncage

you're kidding right? it's obvious the dlc contents were planned well ahead of time. the game isn't finished yet and they have all these screen shots showing each dlc unit. come on now, what does that tell you? special forces units appeared and suddenly the promised mod tools vanishes never to be mentioned again.

Can you explain how it's so obvious then? What screen shots are you talking about? I didn't say anything about mod tools, nor did the OP; if they promised those and didn't deliver then that's CA's bad.

Originally Posted by johncage

as for it being a common practice. and that makes it ok? when it becomes common practice to charge you for patches, maybe that'll be ok too.

Oh you *know* they are going to charge for patches in the future? Care to post some proof? If not it's more speculation.

Originally Posted by johncage

it's not speculation. there are evidence and proof that imply as such. they'll never come out and tell you their plans, the only way you'll know is by using the available facts. if they announced dlc, and it's been 9 months without the promised mod tools, it is definitely planned. it doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Well prove it's not speculation then - post these facts showing that the DLC content was available before release.

I get that you're annoyed with ETW - I was too. I brought it on release day, played for a week, got fed up with the bugs and I hadn't touched it until 2 weeks ago. However since picking it up again I have found it to be great fun! It all depends whether they make the same mistake with NTW - if they do I also won't be buying another TW game.

Oh yes, the plot of CA against the users:
We give you a lower unit diversity in the basic game and then we let you buy more units by DLC and melk you like a cow!
Wake up and use the brains before talking such stupid things!

a) Which lower unit diversitiy?
There is no lower unit diversitiy given! Think about the realities in the age where all the TW titles play! Many people come with "in M2TW were far more units as in ETW and will be in NTW" but what is the reality?
In M2TW we play 7 or 8 centuries = 700 - 800 years of history and that a knight of 900 a.c. looks different then a knight frrom 1400 a.c. is clear and this is what is fact as ETW plays only in 100 years and NTW only a few years!
Also take a closer look on the modells and you see that they are mostly the same for all and only different painted, which in fact is making the felt higher diversitiy with all the heardic stuff on them!

b) but they can give us more units as these with DLC for free in the basic game!
Lol ... think about what was given in the era of ETW: The standardization of the uniforms! The problem is only, that they look to much the same as f.e. the lineinfantry but this was in fact the truth of this era!!!
The only way to make it better is to give the playable factions for most of the units an own model per faction what will take about 100 models plus in the game or even only to paint them more different from faction to faction.

Beside this the only diversitiy was in term of the many regiments of this era per faction in the original. Well, Prussia hat about 50 regiments, Britain about 40, France about 80, .... ok, lets give every dammed regiment in the game as only one unit recruitable per faction. This will give us 500 new units ... but don't forget: Only 1 time recruitable because in ETW (and also NTW as in every TW title) 1 unit = 1 regiment!

P.S. And when you take a closer look on these DLC or SF units they are mostly one time recruit able and they are mostly regiments which make history in the wars!

c) Don't buy these unit addons because you will hinder modding!
This point is the most ridiculous of all!
Modders can still make units in same quality as CA does with these DLC units, even better in most eyes and this without any tools from CA! So they are no where any competition to the DLC and surely not the reason of non giving tools!

So sorry to say it hard now, but first use the brain and look on realities and don't speculate with *peep* which is seeming obvious but in fact only SiFi!

1.ETW was delibrately made like that (in my eyes) to sell NTW.
2.As its only europe any more might be over the top.
3.If you dont want DLC dont buy it, learn to make units and laugh in the face of CA's 33rd Foot.
4.Steam is awesome, I have no problems it works fine it gives me updates hassle free and it lets me play TF2...

2. Actually there are 68/70!!!
4. Steam sucks!!!

Originally Posted by GHOSTMUZIKBEATZ

4. Steam sucks!!!

Explain to me how steam sucks please?

The only problem I have ever had with it is that some products are flogged for all their worth then some (L4D2).

1.)
Maybe the time of 100% modding ability is in TW games over, but this is a point where many won't accept it and where CA didn't tell us all until now. If they want, they can close it no "100% non modding ability", but they didn't. So a big "?" about the modding in TW games! But I think slowly we have to acuse to it, even with consequences ranking from "ok and no problem for me" up to "hell on CA and Sega and I will never buy a product from you again". But this doesn't matter in my eyes ... my opinion

2.)
That it is only the european map is clear, because in era of NTW didn't anyone interest america or india at all because there was nothing of interest (only trifles like the war of 1812 in the USA)! All the war (beside seafights etc.) were fought in Europe! Any demand to have american and / or india map is, sorry to say it, only stupid and will end in a science fiction version!
If finally 60 or 80 provinces on the map is finally a point, where you have to take first a closer look on the new features, particullarly the new suppy and morale system. If it is true, that the attack on an enemy is much harder because you have to build up your suppy system with routes and magazines (which also can be routed by the enemy!), then amy conquering of a province is minimum doubled in difficulty! If it is true, that the morale of troop in foreign countries will go down of several reasons and situations, you have to do a hard strategically job as player. And if it is also true, that you can't recruit new or fullfill dameged units in enemy territory (as f.e. new french guards in Russia or cossacks in France, what was allways in every TW title silly!) than in conclusion the numer of provinces isnt as important as it was.

But here everything stands and falls how good these features are at leasr!

3.)
DLC is only a selling method beside the shops / retail. What is under critic is the stuff selled by DLC and not DLC itself - a mistake many make allways!
The unit addons are things you can buy but you never must buy them. I also will denie, that there are extra lower unit diversitiys given in the main / basic game because they want to make extram money but even when this is fact, who cares?
Modder can until now and also in NTW allways do the same as CA in term of more units and in in same quality as CA do, even better is more likely and that without any official modding tool from CA!
So every god dammed unit what is given as unit expansion / addon can also be dine by every payer with such modding abilities which are common given an able to learn by everyone who wants to learn it. And even those who can't or won't do it by theirself, there are enough modder who will do it.

In this term and with this named FACTS any crtics as "they don't give us tools because they want to sell these units by DLC" are only idiotic, ridiculous and far away fromm any reality!

The only acceptable point of critic here is the MO area, because this unit addon's are full compatible. So they will make an arms race under the players, because those people with that units are in advance against them without the units addons (more or less in advance, a single point of discussion).

4.)
Steam and other platforms are the future and start to accuse that you have in a future of "?" years more to buy complete games by downloading from Steam & Co. then to buy by retail in shops!
Who want this believe I will only tell "take a look on the music industries with the downloading portals and how they win the race agains the retail in the moment ... also take a look on the online video libraries....!"
I'm nearly age 39 and when I take a look in the past I will smile how history will return again and again! When I was a child, the records and cassettes where the only medium. then came the CD and many were angry about it. In video there were 3 different systems of cassettes where finally the VHS system won. Shortly after it the DVD starts to raise up and again many were in anger and now even the DVD is in their final age because blue ray.
The thing with Steam and the critics sound for me like the things named above.

Official?

Steam is a selfish evil marketing policy, Which deprives large numbers of people from playing the game, Takes away customer,s basic rights, messes up mods, and finally takes away choice of install.

Steam hasnt messed up any of my mods...
I dont really see how its more advertising than anything else in modern day society...
They havent taken away any of my rights...
In fact Valve through Steam have given me an easy effective way of buying and playing some of my favourite games...

Originally Posted by Killerflood

My complaints right now are that:

1. According to Empire the game's map's modding capabilities are zilch, kaput, nada. That should be changed.
2. I like more provinces in game. 60 provinces may sound like a lot or none at all but in my opinion there should be more.
3. DLC is a . They restrict the main game's content so they can milk your pockets for more. That's my view point.
4. Steam sucks, it's stupid that you have to download it by internet. I can understand it if you bought it from online but must you download it when you have the freaking disk by your side?!

I agree totaly.

@ doom bunny: steam is data mining ad-ware that uses sytem resources, forces you to connect to the internet at least periodically, forces you to install additional software to play unrelated software (the game you bought), makes it impossible to resell the game you bought, and may introduce security vulnerabilities. These are just the downsides I thought of off the top of my head.

So you like steam? great. but don't think that because it works for you there are no inherent problems with it. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

if you didn't live in an urban or sub-urban locale in the developed world, you'd see what a problem steam is when you need the internet to even play your game.

@ OP: my other complaints include that NTW will not patch ETW, and that they said they'd release a uniform editor but they have since sounded like they are backtracking on that.

What's wrong with steam? Adobe Flash Player? Internet Explorer? WINDOWS!?@$!@!@?!!#!?!

Originally Posted by S-te-Fan

What's wrong with steam? Adobe Flash Player? Internet Explorer? WINDOWS!?@$!@!@?!!#!?!

Internet explorer, windows ect, do have a valid excuse for being on your computer, apart from a friends chat line what has steam got, that a single player needs.

Originally Posted by magpie

Internet explorer, windows ect, do have a valid excuse for being on your computer, apart from a friends chat line what has steam got, that a single player needs.

Don't forget that Steam is first of all a seling platform magpie and even that ypu can play really (!) offline ....

Howeverm that all with internet connection and ressources etc sounds for me like this guy from poland I had in ETW and who asked me, ehy his games often crash with a good connection... after some question I know the reason:
To play a MP game with running ICQ, MSN messanger, Gadu-Gadu (polish Chat programm), download and even listening polish online radio in he background, the problem of the crashes was fast known.