Swiss politician-no new Jewish/Muslim cemetaries

[mongrel]

I suspected it was the thin end of the wedge. They even want to pester the dead now.

(IsraelNN.com) Christophe Darbellay, president of the mainstream Christian Democratic People's Party of Switzerland, called this week for a ban on new separate Muslim and Jewish cemeteries, according to a report Thursday by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Critics say Darbellay is starting a "crusade" to attract voters by proposing xenophobic measures, following the ban on minarets approved earlier in the week.

According to the Swiss online daily Tagesanzeiger, Darbellay also wants to ban the wearing of burkas, head-to-toe veils worn by some fundamentalist Muslim women.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...sh.aspx/175858


http://www.swissjews.ch/en/metanavigation/medien/pressemitteilungen_sig/2009/20091203_presse_darbellay.php

[Justinian]

When did the Swiss became xenophobic racists?

[Watchman]

When did the Swiss became xenophobic racists?

They don't exactly have a history of progressive liberalism you know.

how is it racist to hate islam?

Jews got on the same list, remember ?

[Thorn777]

They don't exactly have a history of progressive liberalism you know.

Well many here are mistaking when thinking Switzerland is some backwater country on some mountain where everyone still wears lederhosen and listens to old Hitler-records.

It always was a relative liberal country, and its still today. And even as early as 1910 they had a 15% share of immigrants, and today its over 20%.

Its all over Europe, this newly developed xenophobia, or better yet: the hate against multiculturalism. The Swiss just happened to vote, being the democratic nutters they traditionally are.

[Watchman]

Well many here are mistaking when thinking Switzerland is some backwater country on some mountain where everyone still wears lederhosen and listens to old Hitler-records.

It always was a relative liberal country, and its still today. And even as early as 1910 they had a 15% share of immigrants, and today its over 20%.

Its all over Europe, this newly developed xenophobia, or better yet: the hate against multiculturalism. The Swiss just happened to vote, being the democratic nutters they traditionally are.

Yeah, speaking of voting, remind me again - since when was it again that Swiss women were allowed to...?

Also I'm fairly certain those immigrants back in 1910 were mainly from other European countries, so moot point.

[Thorn777]

Yeah, speaking of voting, remind me again - since when was it again that Swiss women were allowed to...?

Also I'm fairly certain those immigrants back in 1910 were mainly from other European countries, so moot point.

-Woman evidently can today and many voted against minarets, and don't forget during those years gays got locked up in allot of western country's for some butt-love. So to single out the Swiss as Europe's hillbillies just isn't the way to go...

-It doesn't matter if they where Europeans or not, my point is that it always was a very open country despite allot of prejudices from people who don't know jack except "kuck-kuck clocks" and never been there to some nice summer jazz festival at the Geneva lake meeting the most fantastic people from all over the globe.

Today's 20% immigrants are mostly people from the middle-east, Africa and the Balkans, and while their youth football team, consisting for the biggest part of lads with an immigrant background won the European championship, are cheered all over the country for achieving Switzerland's biggest success in football, the Swiss enjoyed their favorite pass-time(voting)and got to vote about newly made minarets this time.

The people behind this referendum used scare tactics showing women in burkas behind a minaret with some misleading text written over it, and sadly people who have strong opinions about this issue(anti-Muslim etc) go out and vote, and the reasonable just didnt show up for such a seemingly petty issue, trusting it will all fly over.

My "mute point" is about not making false prejudices about the Swiss yourself, but to look at the real core of how something like this happens.

btw.IMO Denmark with their butter-scotch cookie eating vikings is allot worse.

[Pickle_mole]

how is it racist to hate islam? This will probably deter Muslims from immigrating more than minarets.

[mongrel]

how is it racist to hate islam? This will probably deter Muslims from immigrating more than minarets.

Did you ignore the anti-semitism then? The Jews are a race, can't get out of that one so easily.

When did the Swiss became xenophobic racists?

Since stupid people started to believe anything the read on the internet. No doubt an argument will be made that Switzerland will soon be overrun with Jewish and Muslim Zombies*.

* A Mel Brooks film

[Visna]

I choose to see this in a positive light. At least they're propsing a ban on Jewish cemetaries as well. Such consistency is often sorely missed.

[mongrel]

I choose to see this in a positive light. At least they're propsing a ban on Jewish cemetaries as well. Such consistency is often sorely missed.

But he has not proposed the banning of Christian or other faith burials. It's a Progrom of the Dead.

[Visna]

But he has not proposed the banning of Christian or other faith burials. It's a Progrom of the Dead.

Your attempts at ruining my good mood fail.

And he is after all from the Christian Democratic People's Party. I know party names can be deceptive at times, but someone from a party with such a name proposing a ban of Christian burials would sure take the grande prize.

[Pickle_mole]

Did you ignore the anti-semitism then? The Jews are a race, can't get out of that one so easily.

well it can be either, there are racially jewish people who are not religiously Jewish and vice versa. So hating Judaism or Islam is not racism, the word racism needs to be retired from the English language, or at least retired for a while since its continuous rape by the left is extremely old.

On a random tangent, wouldn't hatred of any Abrahamic religion be anti-semetism?

[Red_legged_devils]

well it can be either, there are racially jewish people who are not religiously Jewish and vice versa. So hating Judaism or Islam is not racism, the word racism needs to be retired from the English language, or at least retired for a while since its continuous rape by the left is extremely old.

On a random tangent, wouldn't hatred of any Abrahamic religion be anti-semetism?

Only If all its followers where Semetic by race, And If your speaking about jews, Today that could hardly be the case LOL Unless your a mormon and think everyone has roots to the 12 lost tribes then No, if your a white jew living in the west prob No as well lol One must have blood line links to semetic peopels to use that cardthats like me a white man attempting to use the black race card, how absurd would that be?

They are defined as a race in law, did you not know? No wonder Europe is in a such a fecking mess. Not only do we have to deal with holocaust denial, we now have to believe that Jews don't exist either.

Holocaust denial? Thats what? Almost 80 years ago now LOL get over your self. And There not a Race by law where i'm fromThere just PEOPLE LOL Your not going to get any better treatment then anyone ealse, Muslim christian or hindu....So don't expect it, wan't to be buried in a jewish grave yard? Move to isreal where you can be LOL Thast worse then the mexicans going to america and telling them to change there laws to suit there persenal needs LOL

They are defined as a race in law, did you not know? No wonder Europe is in a such a fecking mess. Not only do we have to deal with holocaust denial, we now have to believe that Jews don't exist either.



Did he retract it or was it a sorry I caught some flak type of sorry. I would like to see hime say that he is not minded to propose any further discriminatory proposals on any group or race.

I note this telling phrase

"It was about the principle that we all belong to the same Swiss society ... but you can't explain that in 15 seconds."

I take that to mean that be really believes that the dead must integrate. This is against nature, the dead are designed to disintegrate.

Of course Anjem Choudhury is one individual yet you are content to condemn 1.5 billion people because of his utterances. Hypocrisy at its finest.



What kind of sick person would want to persecute the dead?



A consistent point mentioned in many a post on TWC

Whos persecuteing the dead? I'm Saying before You GET Dead....Move some place where you can practice your religous rites lol, This way you won't have to worry about going to the easter bunny fairy land hell or whatever you believe lol So People who are worried that some how the easter bunny fairys will be angery that there not put into a hole that hasnt been blessed with pixie dust, They won't have to worry about this if they move some where friendly to there belife system, Right?

[Watchman]

On a random tangent, wouldn't hatred of any Abrahamic religion be anti-semetism?

SO CLEVER HURRRRRRR

No. Here's a dictionary def for you:

Main Entry: an·ti–Sem·i·tism
Pronunciation: \ˌan-tē-ˈse-mə-ˌti-zəm, ˌan-ˌtī-\
Function: noun
Date: 1882
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

[mongrel]

SO CLEVER HURRRRRRR

No. Here's a dictionary def for you:

Weird how in the 20th century, Jews were seen as an inferior race by racists and anti-semites. Now, in order to be consistent with attacks on Muslims those jokers and those who support them are now saying that we should not consider Jews as a race at all. I wonder what would happen when they get round to specifically tagetting gay people or black people?

[antares24]

And this is why personal anecdotes mean so very little. Case in point.

The article you cite from wiki says that attacks on jews are on the rise on Germany, where they're correlated to the rise of the extreme right, and France, where many of them are associated with the big local muslim communities.

Now read what i quoted from icefrisco

I wish will all Europeans were that honest. Unfortunately, this still shows Europeans Jews are in denial about how much they are hated.

He made it sounds as if all Europeans are jew haters, with the European jews not knowing how much they are hated. My point is that actually European jews know it better and live in Europe because they are safe to do so, as they aren't hated by the general populations. And that is a fact thankfully, even if i concede that rising number of attacks in some countries are not a good thing.

The entire Swiss nation is in the government? Struth! Are you sure about that?

what?

Me too. I also find that normal politicians do not propose to hold the Jewish Dead to ransom in order to buy the racist vote. I would like it to stay that way.

on that we agree, a proposal on banning jews and muslim cemeteries is not simply ridiculous, it's just plain stupid. But that's just a proposal that will remain as such.

[Red_legged_devils]

Did you ignore the anti-semitism then? The Jews are a race, can't get out of that one so easily.



Since stupid people started to believe anything the read on the internet. No doubt an argument will be made that Switzerland will soon be overrun with Jewish and Muslim Zombies*.

* A Mel Brooks film

The Jews? Are a Race Since when? How many race's do the jews make up? Dozens LOL Infact that jews have never been a race out side of any semetic peoples of the middle east LOL And the second post is rubbish as well.

I don't know if it's the case in Islam, (I would assume it is), but Jewish dead cannot be buried in ground that hasn't been blessed in the Jewish manner ... denying us the right to bury our dead in a place our religion demands they be buried is outright religious discrimination, and I think it is the same in Islam.

It's not as simple as "they just want everyone to be buried in the same cemetery"; it would be forcing people to run contrary to one of their most sacred, personal and deeply-held beliefs and traditions.

Move Some where that you Can?

[mongrel]

The Jews? Are a Race Since when? How many race's do the jews make up? Dozens LOL Infact that jews have never been a race out side of any semetic peoples of the middle east LOL And the second post is rubbish as well.

They are defined as a race in law, did you not know? No wonder Europe is in a such a fecking mess. Not only do we have to deal with holocaust denial, we now have to believe that Jews don't exist either.

Let's hang on a sec. It was one guy from one party who had a particular view, that he has since retracted. If the Swiss don't want minarets, that's up to them. It's a quantum leap to take that view to demonising the entire populace on a much wider basis.

Did he retract it or was it a sorry I caught some flak type of sorry. I would like to see hime say that he is not minded to propose any further discriminatory proposals on any group or race.

I note this telling phrase

"It was about the principle that we all belong to the same Swiss society ... but you can't explain that in 15 seconds."

I take that to mean that be really believes that the dead must integrate. This is against nature, the dead are designed to disintegrate.

Of course Anjem Choudhury is one individual yet you are content to condemn 1.5 billion people because of his utterances. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Move Some where that you Can?

What kind of sick person would want to persecute the dead?

At least the Swiss government is open about the general opinions of the Swiss people. Too many other Europeans are unwilling to admit they now hate Muslims and still hate Jews. This makes ending bigotry in Europe very hard because few, if any racist Europeans will admit to being racist.

A consistent point mentioned in many a post on TWC

[mongrel]

Holocaust denial? Thats what? Almost 80 years ago now LOL get over your self. And There not a Race by law where i'm fromThere just PEOPLE LOL Your not going to get any better treatment then anyone ealse, Muslim christian or hindu....So don't expect it, wan't to be buried in a jewish grave yard? Move to isreal where you can be LOL Thast worse then the mexicans going to america and telling them to change there laws to suit there persenal needs LOL

So your views can magically remove legislation and any protection Jews may have from people who wish to persecute them, how quaint. The real world does not work that way however, not since 1945.

Whos persecuteing the dead? I'm Saying before You GET Dead....Move some place where you can practice your religous rites lol, This way you won't have to worry about going to the easter bunny fairy land hell or whatever you believe lol So People who are worried that some how the easter bunny fairys will be angery that there not put into a hole that hasnt been blessed with pixie dust, They won't have to worry about this if they move some where friendly to there belife system, Right?

Expel living Jews to protect the rites of their dead. Now we have anti-semitism to add to dumb Islamophobia, which oddly enough is the theme of my thread. Hitler would be proud.

[Justinian]

The Jews? Are a Race Since when? How many race's do the jews make up? Dozens LOL Infact that jews have never been a race out side of any semetic peoples of the middle east LOL And the second post is rubbish as well.

What kind of rubbish is this? Judaism is passed down hereditarily and you can be a Jew without holding any religious views at all. Judaism is a race and a religion; this is common knowledge and your ignorance of those facts is nobody's fault but your own.

Move Some where that you Can?

You can't be serious. Also, I find your capitalization of random words extremely irritating; please learn to type. If you're going to spout drivel defending racist and religiously discriminatory legislation and people, at least do it in proper English.

We should have told the Jews in Germany to move somewhere where they had rights; we should have told the Muslims in Bosnia to move somewhere they wouldn't be slaughtered; we should have told the Tutsis in Rwanda to move somewhere else; we should be telling the people of Darfur to move somewhere else. Is this your argument? If your rights are removed, you should just go someplace else? That there is no fundamental right to human rights that can't be stripped away by governments?

What do you do if the government removes your right to leave (as in 1930s Germany)? Just say "oh well, it's my fault these people hate me and are persecuting me, because I should have left"? This is one of the silliest viewpoints I've ever had the displeasure of encountering.

Only If all its followers where Semetic by race, And If your speaking about jews, Today that could hardly be the case LOL Unless your a mormon and think everyone has roots to the 12 lost tribes then No, if your a white jew living in the west prob No as well lol One must have blood line links to semetic peopels to use that cardthats like me a white man attempting to use the black race card, how absurd would that be?

The only thing that's absurd is your continuous butchery of the English language.

And for your information, most Jews do have a blood line link to "Semetic peopels": a small percentage of Jews are converts; most Jews have been members of a Jewish family for a very, very long time. Jewish people form communities and many Jewish sects do not marry outside of Judaism; therefore, over the centuries a Jewish race has most certainly been created through intermarriage and in general isolation from the general population (because of blatant racism and hatred by the general population, of course). My family have been Jews for 90 years in America, for hundreds of years in Poland, going as far back as anyone can remember. Seeing as Jewish communities don't just sprout up out of thin air from converts, we can trace our lineage logically all the way back to the diaspora after the last rebellion against the Romans in the early AD. You'll want to read up on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkena...e_Roman_Empire

Are we done here?