War memorial blowed up in Georgia. Two men died.

[Pavlik the Rus]

I have not found this news in english language mass media.
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/590573/
So in general
A memorial to the soldiers and victims of WWII (or Velikaja Otechestvennaja Voina in Russian) was blown up in Kutaisi, Georgia. No matter that organisations of veterans in Georgia was against it. Who cares? It is free Georgia. In free georgia it is imposible to agree with that fact, that russians and georgians was at one side on that war. So that memorial must be destroyed.
And most discusting thing - two people died in that destruction. A woman and a child.
Saakashvili bravo! Finnally a victory over Russian (partially, but mostly Georgian, who died on that war).

[Heathen Hammer]

There were about 350000 Georgians who didn't come back from the War, but apparently they are all criminals in Saakashvili's eyes...

[Watchman]

Just out of curiosity, but were said Georgians actually asked if they wanted to fight for Stalin ? From what I've gathered of Red Army's methods around those times, you tended to have even *less* choice in the matters than draftees in most countries...

[Heathen Hammer]

Just out of curiosity, but were said Georgians actually asked if they wanted to fight for Stalin ? From what I've gathered of Red Army's methods around those times, you tended to have even *less* choice in the matters than draftees in most countries...

They were not fighting "for Stalin". From what I've gathered, majority of Georgians are far from being blue-eyed blond-haired "aryans".
They were fighting for their own existence.

[Watchman]

The difference tended to be blurry at best, though the Nazis' bat insane racial policies certainly did help things.

Anyway, given the recent shared history of Georgia and Russia *cough* something like this doesn't come across as terribly surprising. Seems awful petty though.

[Heathen Hammer]

The difference tended to be blurry at best, though the Nazis' bat insane racial policies certainly did help things.

Anyway, given the recent shared history of Georgia and Russia *cough* something like this doesn't come across as terribly surprising. Seems awful petty though.

The memorial was for Georgian soldiers, so I doubt that blowing it up did anything, but alienating Georgian people even more from the current regime.

[Pavlik the Rus]

Ask those WWII veterans in Georgia.
They was against destruction of memorial. It was constructed in the name of died soldiers, not stalin.

[Pavlik the Rus]

I don't know why it is so hard - to understand that if man fought in soviet army it is not mean automatically that he was scared/forced/pulled by force to the enemy trenches.
There was millions of volontiers.

[antares24]

I have not found this news in english language mass media.
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/590573/
So in general
A memorial to the soldiers and victims of WWII (or Velikaja Otechestvennaja Voina in Russian) was blowed up in Kutaisi, Georgia. No matter that organisations of veterans in Georgia was against it. Who cares? It is free Georgia. In free georgia it is imposible to agree with that fact, that russians and georgians was at one side on that war. So that memorial must be destroyed.
And most discusting thing - two people died in that destruction. A woman and a child.
Saakashvili bravo! Finnally a victory over Russian (partially, but mostly Georgian, who died on that war).

It's reported abroad, i read about it in my newspaper. What one can say, for me destroying a monument that commemorated the victory over the Nazis is quite stupid, and really sound like a waste of money. The fact that the authorities were so incompetent with the explosives that people died is even more stupid.

This is just a way to give a middle finger to Russia, not that i don't understand the georgians feeling after the war, but the caucasus is looking more and more insane, these days even more than the balcans, and that say something...

[alhoon]

This is just a way to give a middle finger to Russia, not that i don't understand the georgians feeling after the war, but the caucasus is looking more and more insane, these days even more than the balcans, and that say something...

It's not Georgians that are "giving the finger to Russia" by destroying memorials to their fallen in WWII. It is that loon Saakashvilli. The man is insane and should be sent to a mental clinic.

Destroying the memorial doesn't prove anything to the world or sane Georgians. It is just a disgrace towards the patriots of Georgia that fought and died for the world freedom in WWII and to the unwilling draftees that had no other choice but to die in a war that encompassed the whole world.
It is not even an attempt to re-write history. It's just the act of a madman.

[Pavlik the Rus]

It's reported abroad, i read about it in my newspaper. What one can say, for me destroying a monument that commemorated the victory over the Nazis is quite stupid, and really sound like a waste of money. The fact that the authorities were so incompetent with the explosives that people died is even more stupid.

This is just a way to give a middle finger to Russia, not that i don't understand the georgians feeling after the war, but the caucasus is looking more and more insane, these days even more than the balcans, and that say something...

A midle finger was given to the Georgians, not Russians.

I did say it's petty.

It does seem to have been succesful in trolling Russians tho'.

Hm, don't you think that it is too high price to troll someone - to put your own history, glory and honor to the mud? I understand that two deaths are occasional, they was not planned, or better say, they don't care about lives of Georgians.

[Watchman]

Hm, don't you think that it is too high price to troll someone - to put your own history, glory and honor to the mud? I understand that two deaths are occasional, they was not planned, or better say, they don't care about lives of Georgians.

Hey, I don't remember claiming it was smart.

[Fight!]

Sorry to nitpick, but it should be "blown up" not "blowed up"

[Pavlik the Rus]

Sorry, English is not my native language

[Exarch]

ing disgraceful

whoever vandalises war memorials ought to be steamrolled by a steamroller

[Barry Goldwater]

ing disgusting. What in the ing Hell was this supposed to prove? That Saakashvilli doesn't give a rat's ass about the Georgians who died in World War II and that he belongs in the loony bin?

[danzig]

And why exactly are russians upset about a Georgian action, committed by Georgian goverment, on Georgian terrrority with a Georgian memorial for Georgian soldiers who die in a war cause by Germans that the Russians attempt to use as a pretext for occupation of other countries and then simply replaced the Germans in eastern europe? Guess everyone needs a boogeyman, we had Iraq/Saddam you guys got Georgia. Frankly its none of your business

That said the memorial should have been moved as evidently actual Georgian citizens (you know the ones who actually matter on this issue) are upset about it.

[s.rwitt]

Maybe Russia should invade to protect any remaining innocent war memorials.

[il padrino]

@danzig

So now historical revisionism is good ?

I guess you would be saying a different story if something like that happend in Russia...

[corpse helvetica]

[QUOTE=il padrino;6475402]

So now historical revisionism is good ?

be careful when you're using that phrase for Kremlin "historical revisionism" means "not accepting soviet version of history". ( and this basically means - everything what was done in the name of USSR was good). Kremlin presses hard Estonian government for instance - no good relation with you 'til you accept that there has been no USSR occupation and everything what USSR did was justified. It has been stated multiple times by high Kremlin officials.
( Kremlin even do not want to recognize juridical connection between prewar Estonian republic and current republik - it allows to claim that Soviet occupation did no exist)

I guess you would be saying a different story if something like that happend in Russia...

I know 4 cases where (bronze) statues were removed from their places in Russian cities, usually to make room for malls, offices or whatever local oligarch desires to build, etc. All have done quietly, without outrage in Kremlin controlled media.