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    Climate leaders: The rhetoric vs. the reality
    Combo picture shows (from L) leaders from France, US, Germany, China, Britain, (from bottom L) South Africa, Brazil, India, Ethiopia and Tuvalu. They had been urged to side with the angels but ultimately, base political instinct seems to have prevailed among the world's most powerful leaders as they sealed a climate pact among themselves, sparking fury elsewhere.

    US President Barack Obama attends a multi-lateral meeting with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva (2ndL) and other leaders at the Bella Center in Copenhagen. They had been urged to side with the angels but ultimately, base political instinct seems to have prevailed among the world's most powerful leaders as they sealed a climate pact among themselves, sparking fury elsewhere.

    US Senator John Kerry speaks at the Bella center in Copenhagen on December 16. They had been urged to side with the angels but ultimately, base political instinct seems to have prevailed among the world's most powerful leaders as they sealed a climate pact among themselves, sparking fury elsewhere. AFP - They had been urged to side with the angels but ultimately, base political instinct seems to have prevailed among the world's most powerful leaders as they sealed a climate pact among themselves, sparking fury elsewhere.

    From the eve of the 12-day marathon right until its finale, the overwhelming message in Copenhagen was that it was time to put aside national self-interest for the greater good of saving the planet for future generations.

    But a survey of the wreckage from the negotiations indicated that none of the world's economic powerhouses was willing to make the leap of faith.

    Instead, they opted for a lowest common denominator accord -- devoid of targets for greenhouse-gas emissions cuts and not legally binding.

    Nnimmo Bassey, chair of Friends of the Earth International, said a delay in wide-ranging action to limit emissions had "condemned millions of the world's poorest people to hunger, suffering and loss of life."

    An editorial published in 56 newspapers around the world as the gathering kicked off nearly a fortnight earlier, invoked Abraham Lincoln by imploring the leaders to embrace "the better angels of our nature".

    "The politicians in Copenhagen have the power to shape history?s judgement on this generation: one that saw a challenge and rose to it, or one so stupid that we saw calamity coming but did nothing to avert it."

    In their speeches from the floor, many of the leaders spoke of their encounters with school pupils or name-checked grandchildren.

    "When I arrive home at the end of this week, will I be able to sit down, look my children in the eyes and tell them in clear conscience that I did absolutely everything I could to achieve an outcome to tackle climate change?" Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd asked rhetorically.

    US President Barack Obama likewise urged his peers to be "part of a historic endeavor -- one that makes life better for our children and our grandchildren."

    But despite the expectations of the European Union that he would pull a rabbit out of the hat, Obama turned up in Copenhagen with no fresh pledges that might have spurred others.

    The senior US Senator John Kerry, who was in Copenhagen, said that Obama's hands were tied with his plans to curb emissions -- albeit by a fraction of pledges from Europe and Japan -- encountering fierce opposition in Congress.

    Kerry said many US lawmakers feared "if we take those steps (larger emission cuts) they're simply going to be eclipsed by rising emissions of the less developed countries."

    "Make no mistake: I don't offer these insights to defend inaction. I simply want to describe for you the reality of what it will take to get this done," he added.

    Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva also used his speech to appeal for a new chapter of consideration for others, saying he was prepared to put funding on the table to help other impoverished countries.

    But in the end, Lula was one of the leaders of four emerging regional powerhouses who struck a deal directly with Obama rather than seek multilateral agreement.

    Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of India, another member of the emerging giants club, had said on Friday that "to settle for something that could be seen as diminished expectations and diminished implementations would be in our view a very wrong message".

    But as the UN's climate pointman Yvo de Boer pointed out, trying to curb emissions among citizens in the world's largest yet poorest democracy is never going to be popular.

    "In India there are 400 million people without electricity. How do you switch off the light bulb that you don?t have?," said de Boer.
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    The summit was a partial or a total failure?

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    These climate summits are a massive waste of time and money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    These climate summits are a massive waste of time and money.

    And not even CO² neutral!





    It is a total failure, and a good contract will not be here for a few years until China and the USA stop being stubborn like 4 year old who never get what they want








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    I never expected anything from it.
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    Not surprising, but nonetheless depressing.

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    The EUs aim of a legal binding treaty to keep a global temperature rise below 2 degrees celsius. And the establishment of an international body to inspect all countries effort to reach these goals where not met.

    Due to objections from the paranoid US and China, they dont want anyone looking over their shoulder; the Chinese because they are ultimatly a paranoid dictartorship. The US because its full of redneck texans, with a understanding of natural science that originates in the bible, and a 5-1 ratio in oillobbiest vs. politicians in climate questions.

    A complete failure not least for my primeminister, who is never going to survive the next election after this disaster
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaneFlugt.DK View Post
    The EUs aim of a legal binding treaty to keep a global temperature rise below 2 degrees celsius. And the establishment of an international body to inspect all countries effort to reach these goals where not met.

    Due to objections from the paranoid US and China, they dont want anyone looking over their shoulder; the Chinese because they are ultimatly a paranoid dictartorship. The US because its full of redneck texans, with a understanding of natural science that originates in the bible, and a 5-1 ratio in oillobbiest vs. politicians in climate questions.

    A complete failure not least for my primeminister, who is never going to survive the next election after this disaster
    Recorded for truth, well said in short words.

    Anyway, i didn't expect a lot from this happening. It is as it is: Europe marches on, the rest of the world is far behind and won't see the urgent compulsion to act now.
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    thank the lord it failed.

    i live in California and carbon legislation does nothing but cost the state a ton of money and stifle many great opportunities to make up that wealth.

    Just one of the many reasons California is in the .

    If at any point you need convincing that the liberal agenda will never work in the US- look at California. decades of uninterrupted liberal democrat rule have left our state bankrupt and broken- and they still have enough of the naive Sheeple in this state feeding from their hands to make the state utterly collapse in the next few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jman47 View Post
    thank the lord it failed.

    i live in California and carbon legislation does nothing but cost the state a ton of money and stifle many great opportunities to make up that wealth.

    Just one of the many reasons California is in the .

    If at any point you need convincing that the liberal agenda will never work in the US- look at California. decades of uninterrupted liberal democrat rule have left our state bankrupt and broken- and they still have enough of the naive Sheeple in this state feeding from their hands to make the state utterly collapse in the next few years.
    Yes I totaly Agree, I group Greenies with Ufo wierdos....Becouse thats what most of them are They where DUMB Enough to think That sumit was about The earth warmingInfact it was about Giving teeth to a new globle goverment and Giving the Power to TAX....Every single person on earth...Wake up Europe, Do you really Think Al Gore, who owns Dozens of homes that use more power then20 American homes gives dam about the earth? Or anyone ealse thats elite at that meeting They wan't the dumb gaullible people who when ever they hear the word GREEN Jump on board with out looking into anything thats all they needed to hear was it was for the earth and it was Green LOL, China said SURE We'll sign on IF YOU Implament a Globle ONE CHILD Policy LOL Are you for real? Europe is dieing, Russia is paying people to breed, and the muslims are moveing into france, and there populations are explodeing LOL while the rest of white europe slowly dies off, Are you Dieing for the Earth? IF so Please Do your self in quickly and get out of the way of humanity who wishs to expand The Foolds on this board had no idea what the meeting was about LOL less then 2% of the meeting Ever had anything to do with lowering Co2 And when Poor countreys like africa found out that The West wouldnet be pouring money into there little corrupt pockets they backed out, protested and refused to follow and the other half said PROVE IT TO US.....that the sciance is real....And Al gore gets angery Mr Obama threatens our goverment, to pass the carbon bills or he'd go over there heads LOL If this has been just another innocent Green save the earth meeting, then why all the Poltical posturieing, and why all the random violance and threats? Why Are The Smart goverments Pulling back and Saying Hold On A Second....WE wan't more Proof....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaneFlugt.DK View Post
    A complete failure not least for my primeminister, who is never going to survive the next election after this disaster
    Why the hell shouldn't he? I mean you don't have to be that smart to know that the Danish Prime Minister, no matter how smart or dumb he is, can in no way force the US or China to do anything. I sincerly hope people are smart enough to know this.


    Anyway, it's a bit dissapointing, but I think some people had to naive hopes for this summit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaneFlugt.DK View Post
    Due to objections from the paranoid US and China, they dont want anyone looking over their shoulder; the Chinese because they are ultimatly a paranoid dictartorship. The US because its full of redneck texans, with a understanding of natural science that originates in the bible, and a 5-1 ratio in oillobbiest vs. politicians in climate questions.
    I find this comment to be highly offensive and ignorant. The very ignorance you are complaining about was shown to a much higher degree in this post.

    But I'll give you another chance since you are newer to the boards. Please go back a couple pages in this forum and see all the threads about how global warming was indeed a scandal in many areas.

    And just because the US is not entirely sold on global warming doesn't mean we don't believe in having a cleaner environment and renewable energy. Even John McCain was one of the biggest proponents of alternative energy. Texas is becoming the forefront in the nation for wind technology and soon biofuel.

    Sorry, but we don't need another regulatory board beyond our own EPA.
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    Europe lead the way, A coalition of bloody tree huggers, with their chattering classes agenda,s, who want to tax us back to the stone age, Its time they were locked up in the nearest asylum. Europe needs industries and jobs, plus they have enough coal to power them for the next 300 years. Save on Saudi oil imports, and get the economy rolling again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie View Post
    Europe lead the way, A coalition of bloody tree huggers, with their chattering classes agenda,s, who want to tax us back to the stone age, Its time they were locked up in the nearest asylum. Europe needs industries and jobs, plus they have enough coal to power them for the next 300 years. Save on Saudi oil imports, and get the economy rolling again.
    No, we must have our co2 carbon emissions tax, that we humasns give off when we breathe out, nevermind that volcanoes produce more co2 in one eruption than we do in 200 years, but what the heck we still need the tax to make al gore rich, oops i mean to to save the whales, and the polar bears, and the ice caps, and the trees, and the bugs, and...the ice caps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    I find this comment to be highly offensive and ignorant. The very ignorance you are complaining about was shown to a much higher degree in this post.

    But I'll give you another chance since you are newer to the boards. Please go back a couple pages in this forum and see all the threads about how global warming was indeed a scandal in many areas.

    And just because the US is not entirely sold on global warming doesn't mean we don't believe in having a cleaner environment and renewable energy. Even John McCain was one of the biggest proponents of alternative energy. Texas is becoming the forefront in the nation for wind technology and soon biofuel.

    Sorry, but we don't need another regulatory board beyond our own EPA.
    Yes, that's right. Now finally also the US EPA has realised what was started to be realised 20 years ago in Europe. "Realised" in the sense of "getting aware of and act", and some positive projects are on the way in the US, and the potencial of the US, if it starts to undertake certain things is famous for its efficience, let's hope it works out. Still, there is some truth in the post you referred to. The oil-lobbyism in the US is still very strong and manipulates the US media, which is accessed by everyone in the US (ie. via internet).

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    It was 100 % clear that all non-nature-science educated TW members come along here insuch a topic to show their lack of understandment in the concerning departement with their "nice" posts again, and to run their (american) "climategate" as argument to have their final proof of an international conspiracy by scientists and governments to simply tax the people and bring down the economies. Well, again and again they prove my opinion about the GW-deniers, solely getting their "knowledge" from questionable sources, and claim to be right, and having not the slightest understanding of how the climate-research work was/is done and organised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaneFlugt.DK View Post
    A complete failure not least for my primeminister, who is never going to survive the next election after this disaster
    So now you're blaming the danish government for lack of solutions?... I'd rather blame the following.. G77, US, and China...

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    I wonder if man made climate change was responsible for the mass extinction of the dinosaurs.
    One good example of why this eventual problem wont be dealt with, ever. Redneckism 4tw....
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    A complete waste of time, money, and effort, im just glad they didnt get to institute there carbon tax... yet, or did they ? the money that goes to poorer nations for aid has to come from some where.

    A great climate shame.

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    We all know governments are in the hands of big businesses, so no, this is not surprising. Still disappointing though.

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    Well after this shambles, I hope my government (Irish) rescinds the bloody carbon tax they imposed on us last week.

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    Did I hear that they actually did not have enough limos in the entire country so they had to import a whole bunch of them just to ferry guests around.....Does that seem a little ironic?

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