Iran troops 'seize Iraq oil well'

[Martin N]

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Iran troops 'seize Iraq oil well'



Iranian troops have entered southern Iraqi territory and taken control of an oil well, reports say.
An Iraqi official played down the incident, saying the area was abandoned and right on a disputed border section.
Iranian soldiers crossed the border and raised an Iranian flag over the Fakkah oil field, a US military spokesman told the AFP news agency.
But an Iranian oil company spokesman denied the accusation, saying no troops had taken control of any oil well.
"The company denies Iranian soldiers taking control of any oil well inside Iraqi territory," the National Iranian Oil Company spokesman was quoted as saying by Iranian media.
Confirmation
Iraq's Deputy Interior Minister confirmed the Iranians stayed in Iraq and were in control of the well.
We are awaiting orders from our leader


Ahmed Ali al-Khafaji
Deputy Interior Minister

Earlier it was reported that they had withdrawn back across the border.
Deputy Interior Minister Ahmed Ali al-Khafaji initially told the Reuters news agency the reports of the Iranian incursion were not true.
But Mr Khafaji later confirmed the incursion had taken place, and said 11 Iranians had dug-in at the oil well and had not left.
"At 3:30 this afternoon, 11 Iranian soldiers infiltrated the Iran-Iraq border and took control of the oil well. They raised the Iranian flag, and they are still there until this moment," he told the Reuters news agency.
He said there had been no military response from Iraqi forces..
"We are awaiting orders from our leader," he said.
The incursion is one of several that have occurred in the last few days, he said.
The well is about 500m from an Iranian border fort and about 1km from an Iraqi fort, US Colonel Peter Newell told AFP.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/8420774.stm

Its a shame something like this had to happen close to a us withdrawal, but what does this mean for iraq ? Will this signal the start of a new iran/iraq war, or even more striking, will this give the US the excuse it needs to invade iran, afterall iraq can still be argued to be under us occupation.

[dogukan]

if true, this is actually a very serious thing. And I'd say HELL YEAH, if it was not for the Islamic government.

[Martin N]

Yeah it could turn into something serious, and that along with the new medium range missile they was testing which could fire at israel and us bases in the ME isnt helping things at all.

Though lets hope the government falls apart by the time the situation can get any worse.

[Cougar109]

11 troops? Are these actual Iranian soldiers or simply some groups dressed up? It just seems odd that Iran would risk war by sending 11 troops to take an abandoned oil field.

[Martin N]

11 troops? Are these actual Iranian soldiers or simply some groups dressed up? It just seems odd that Iran would risk war by sending 11 troops to take an abandoned oil field.

Well ahmenidejad might need all his troops to stay in power by force

The last time we did that we got the Islamic Revolution as a result.

Indeed the last thing we wanna do is depose them, but least this time we would have a motive, the shah of iran in the 50s was democratically elected, the only thing he did to us, or refused to do for us would hand over iranian oil, instead nationalising it.

[Heinz Guderian]

Indeed the last thing we wanna do is depose them, but least this time we would have a motive, the shah of iran in the 50s was democratically elected, the only thing he did to us, or refused to do for us would hand over iranian oil, instead nationalising it.

The Shah was an absolute ruler. I think you mean Mossadeq who was overthrown by Op. Ajax led by the CIA. The Shah would bend over and receive American Big Oil right in his ass. Good poodle he was. America needs another poodle like him, like Karzai or the current Iraqi one, i forget his name, Fido or something.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Time to lend the Green Revolution a hand from outside?

[Heinz Guderian]

The last time we did that we got the Islamic Revolution as a result.

[Mr. Scott]

Jeeze. It seems like Achmedinidijad wants war. That is basically provoking america. And this will also cause greater anti-iran sentiment in iraq.

War won't occur though. It's too minor. However, it does show Iran's boldness, which will be its death.

[Caelifer_1991]

You people actually believe this? There's no shortage of people with guns over there and no shortage of flags either... those 11 (11...) people could be anyone. Seems like something Russia would've done 100 years ago in order to start a war* (they did that with Finland just before WW2 as just 1 example)... just saying, the fact that Iraq is under the control of the US instead of Russia 70 or 100 years ago means nothing tbh.

Also i dunno why i singled out Russia when really it's been done countless times by pretty much everyone... or things not so different, suppose i was thinking of the 2008 Russia-Georgia conflict and went from there... only in that case there actually was an offensive, with more than 11 (11 for God's sake..) people, it was more a difference of opinion on national borders. Anyway ... you got my point

* To clarify, when i say "something Russia would have done": I mean stage some sort of implausible and completely illogical incursion across a border by the enemy/ bordering nation then use it as an excuse for war.

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Edit: Was gonna leave it at taht... but let me put it this way: what could possible possess a leader to do something that he knows very well can be used as an excuse for war to a nation with military bases on every side... across every border. A nation that, with it's allies has more than 100000 troops not only combat ready but which have been in active service for years, and has repeatedly made clear it's opposition to some of the major policies of the government of Iran. Not only that but if such a decison were to be made, why would it be made just as proper progress has been and continues to be made on Irans nuclear program...

Does this really seem likely to anyone... especially given the timing?

[Gromovnik]

You people actually believe this? There's no shortage of people with guns over there and no shortage of flags either... those 11 (11...) people could be anyone. Seems like something Russia would've done 100 years ago in order to start a war* (they did that with Finland just before WW2 as just 1 example)... just saying, the fact that Iraq is under the control of the US instead of Russia 70 or 100 years ago means nothing tbh.

Also i dunno why i singled out Russia when really it's been done countless times by pretty much everyone... or things not so different, suppose i was thinking of the 2008 Russia-Georgia conflict and went from there... only in that case there actually was an offensive, with more than 11 (11 for God's sake..) people, it was more a difference of opinion on national borders. Anyway ... you got my point

* To clarify, when i say "something Russia would have done": I mean stage some sort of implausible and completely illogical incursion across a border by the enemy/ bordering nation then use it as an excuse for war.

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Edit: Was gonna leave it at taht... but let me put it this way: what could possible possess a leader to do something that he knows very well can be used as an excuse for war to a nation with military bases on every side... across every border. A nation that, with it's allies has more than 100000 troops not only combat ready but which have been in active service for years, and has repeatedly made clear it's opposition to some of the major policies of the government of Iran. Not only that but if such a decison were to be made, why would it be made just as proper progress has been and continues to be made on Irans nuclear program...

Does this really seem likely to anyone... especially given the timing?

Something Russia would've done? Let me guess, because they're evil, right?

[Martin N]

The Shah was an absolute ruler. I think you mean Mossadeq who was overthrown by Op. Ajax led by the CIA. The Shah would bend over and receive American Big Oil right in his ass. Good poodle he was. America needs another poodle like him, like Karzai or the current Iraqi one, i forget his name, Fido or something.

Yes thats the one, my bad.

And caelifer, it seems your suggesting someone like usa or someone else with a hatred and need for war with iran, dressed there own up and did this, well its possible i guess, we citizens have been opposed to a war with iran since it was suggested in 2005 for wmd purposes, and the us government have considered dressing soldiers up and attacking our own bases and cities to start a war before, like operation northwoods.

But if what you say is true, why go to all that trouble and only attack an oil base thats been abandoned, it kind of defeats the point

[Heinz Guderian]

operation northwoods.

Holy ****. This is the first time i am reading about this. The Sec. of Defence signed that shiz off? wow. I only recently read that the US government purposely infected black men with syphillis for kicks and giggles around about the same time. But what can you do, Freedom Aint Free.

[Romano-Dacis]

Holy ****. This is the first time i am reading about this. The Sec. of Defence signed that shiz off? wow. I only recently read that the US government purposely infected black men with syphillis for kicks and giggles around about the same time. But what can you do, Freedom Aint Free.

Your sarcasm quite frankly is completely unwarranted. There have been countless false-flag operations used by many nations including the United States. Hell, even that whole "Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack" story is being dismantled. I do not put it past the American government to use disinformation and false flags to launch a war.

Pay up Vexille.

[Caelifer_1991]

Added this to my last message before I read the reply:

Edit: Was gonna leave it at taht... but let me put it this way: what could possible possess a leader to do something that he knows very well can be used as an excuse for war to a nation with military bases on every side... across every border. A nation that, with it's allies has more than 100000 troops not only combat ready but which have been in active service for years, and has repeatedly made clear it's opposition to some of the major policies of the government of Iran. Not only that but if such a decison were to be made, why would it be made just as proper progress has been and continues to be made on Irans nuclear program...

Does this really seem likely to anyone... especially given the timing?

Also no one finds it even the slightest bit suspicious that Iraq had basically nothing to do with any of what was said to haev been a reason to invade... yet we have been there for the last few years anyway pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into it? That our 2 current conflicts just happen to be on either side of Iran. The only reason Iraq was started was to increase the West's and particularly America's influence in the Middle East... for greater energy security in the face of multiple hostile nations in the region. So now we go about putting as many puppet states and rulers i nthe region as we can, it's that or rely almost entirely on Russia...

Then there's Afganistan... no different there tbh, sure there actually are Al'Qaeda there who would commit terrorist attacks, and yes the taliban probably would be better of removed with a democracy in it's place for both the West and the population there... but it's the same story, how does hundreds of billions of dollars stack up to a couple of destroyed buildings and 5000 civilian casualties. The world is dictated by money, and power... but since money is nothing if not a measure of power, then it is basically a matter of power... and influence. Morality does not play a role in politics, and not in wars. Think about it.

P.S: And yes before anyone says, I do have a rather annoying habit of continuing to write posts even after I've posted them ^^

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Edit... again: Also a completely irrelevant and pointles target is really the only sort that can be "attacked" without any fake opposition to it. They're hardly gonna form an entire fake army and march into a city are they? Also why should it only be "possible", if any nation on Earth were to do something like that right now it'd be the US.

Edit2: Also if anyone is stupid enough to call this a "conspiracy" or something equally retarded, please, go read some ing history, and I hope no one thinks that because none of this is stated blatanty on our "free and independant news agencies"* that it isn't true, if anyone does there's truly not much anyone can say to them... truly..

*Btw, althoug hthe emphasis was on "free" and "independant", although those things are pretty much true, the point is that those features are essentially irrelevant and the "experts" or politicians put there basically are either ignorant themselves, or have a script to read. The people working in news agencies are as ignorant and stupid as the rest of the population.

[Fluttershy]

Added this to my last message before I read the reply:



Also no one finds it even the slightest bit suspicious that Iraq had basically nothing to do with any of what was said to haev been a reason to invade... yet we have been there for the last few years anyway pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into it? That our 2 current conflicts just happen to be on either side of Iran. The only reason Iraq was started was to increase the West's and particularly America's influence in the Middle East... for greater energy security in the face of multiple hostile nations in the region. So now we go about putting as many puppet states and rulers i nthe region as we can, it's that or rely almost entirely on Russia...

Then there's Afganistan... no different there tbh, sure there actually are Al'Qaeda there who would commit terrorist attacks, and yes the taliban probably would be better of removed with a democracy in it's place for both the West and the population there... but it's the same story, how does hundreds of billions of dollars stack up to a couple of destroyed buildings and 5000 civilian casualties. The world is dictated by money, and power... but since money is nothing if not a measure of power, then it is basically a matter of power... and influence. Morality does not play a role in politics, and not in wars. Think about it.

P.S: And yes before anyone says, I do have a rather annoying habit of continuing to write posts even after I've posted them ^^

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Edit... again: Also a completely irrelevant and pointles target is really the only sort that can be "attacked" without any fake opposition to it. They're hardly gonna form an entire fake army and march into a city are they? Also why should it only be "possible", if any nation on Earth were to do something like that right now it'd be the US.

Edit2: Also if anyone is stupid enough to call this a "conspiracy" or something equally retarded, please, go read some ing history, and I hope no one thinks that because none of this is stated blatanty on our "free and independant news agencies"* that it isn't true, if anyone does there's truly not much anyone can say to them... truly..

*Btw, althoug hthe emphasis was on "free" and "independant", although those things are pretty much true, the point is that those features are essentially irrelevant and the "experts" or politicians put there basically are either ignorant themselves, or have a script to read. The people working in news agencies are as ignorant and stupid as the rest of the population.

will + rep 1st person to post the "its a conspiracy!" pic

[Dr Zoidberg]

"Coming next Summer! From the makers of 'Saddam v Ayatollah', and 'There's something about WMDs' comes a new blockbuster, that will have you glued to your smart bomb. In 2010 get ready for: 'Iran v Iraq 2: Fracas in Fakkah'. Coming to an unstable region near you."

[Valiant Champion]

We shouldnt attack Iran because we KNOW that they would never harbor Al Queda!! Only the Taliban have the organization and infrastructure to train and equip terrorists groups. Poor Iran is sadly lacking in expertise and any kind of facilities for terrorists to take refuge in and train.

They are only seizing the oil wells cause they need a way to feed their starving people.

[Romano-Dacis]

We shouldnt attack Iran because we KNOW that they would never harbor Al Queda!! Only the Taliban have the organization and infrastructure to train and equip terrorists groups. Poor Iran is sadly lacking in expertise and any kind of facilities for terrorists to take refuge in and train.

They are only seizing the oil wells cause they need a way to feed their starving people.

How about "we know they would never harbor Al Qaeda because Al Qaeda considers Iranians infidels since they are not Sunni."
It amazes me how little people know about the modern Middle East.

[s.rwitt]

Your sarcasm quite frankly is completely unwarranted. There have been countless false-flag operations used by many nations including the United States. Hell, even that whole "Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack" story is being dismantled. I do not put it past the American government to use disinformation and false flags to launch a war.

Even if that were true, which it's not, it wouldn't make it a false flag attack.