Rhun's general bodyguard isn't overpowered?

[Altimis]

Hi, I just notice that Rhun's general bodyguard unit have armor rate of defense is "22"
that isn't too high for cavalry? oh lord.. they are fast and die hard like "Troll" even spear or halberd can't stop them... unless they are outnumbered

their charge also very hard something like "11" [can't remember] plus attack around 10 - 11... its charge can sweep my 80 - 100 men in single hit

I ever face the Rhun army with their 3 generals in a same stack... that bloody mess!

and I'm Silvan Elven lol I just think that my arrow will pwn them but it mess up when I figure out what happen...

[FriendoftheDork]

They are certainly the best heavy cavalry in the game. Rohan can just go back to herding sheep or whatever they do.

I've fought a battle of Rohan vs Rhun, and even though I attacked a small stack, and had with me Royal Guards, Rohan heavy cav, Rohan Bodyguards, and surrounded his generals as much as I could I still lost almost all I had including all my non-general heavy cav just to destroy 2 rhunic bodyguards. My kind was also killed in the process

Not certain if they are too good though, the ARE supposed to be cataphracts and should work as well as the ones in RTW did compared to units in that game.

[Graviak]

Play as the Dwarves in RC/RR and you´ll get nightmares.

They are overpowered when played by a human!

[SuperZero]

Play as the Dwarves in RC/RR and you´ll get nightmares.

They are overpowered when played by a human!

Every Faction is overpowered if the human player is good enough

[Kawee]

Play as the Dwarves in RC/RR and you´ll get nightmares.

They are overpowered when played by a human!

I have to a partially agree. I just keep adopting and marrying off my princess next thing I know I have ten bodyguards steam-rolling cities after cities

Every Faction is overpowered if the human player is good enough

that's also true

However, I think human vs human, Rhun would dominate Dwarves though. The Rhun BG can't be stopped except by a solid pikewall (and stakes of course )

[Graviak]

I think we agree on the point, that some units, especially in RC/RR, like Trolls, Ents, HE BG, Nazgul, Rhun GB, Mumakil are way more dangerous when controlled by a human player, than say a unit of Dragonslayers or Fountain Guard, because of their mobility, which is way more utilized by a human than the AI.

Graviak

[Graviak]

There are way more in a unit!

[Evan MF]

Why not expand even more to Wainrider Chariots? ...

Evan

[Seleukos_I.]

Why not expand even more to Wainrider Chariots? ...

Evan

This has been discussed often enough don't you think?

[Juli]

In RR/RC... yes, they are overpowered. They might be the only cavalry able to take on Black Numenoreans

Kill them with [fire] AP units. Even cheap AP units will kick their armoured asses

[Graviak]

In RR/RC... yes, they are overpowered. They might be the only cavalry able to take on Black Numenoreans

Kill them with [fire] AP units. Even cheap AP units will kick their armoured asses

Hmm, when playing with the dwarves, i have way to high losses fighting against them, despite lots of AP units.
In fact i try to have a unit of miners as a meatshield and then move axethrowers against them. I found this the only way to kill them cost-effective.

Dwarves do not die in close-combat, with the exeption of AP units and those wainriders just keep running them over and over and over. No way.

Go my faithful miners go!

Graviak

[FriendoftheDork]

In RR/RC... yes, they are overpowered. They might be the only cavalry able to take on Black Numenoreans

Kill them with [fire] AP units. Even cheap AP units will kick their armoured asses

Hmm didn't know they were that much different.

Also remember not all factions have cheap AP units, especially rohan has difficulty. Yeah they have their axes but those only work if you can pin down the enemy, and pinning them down usually require cavalry of your own.

Yeah they do have mounted skirmishers but those are not especially cheap and it can be hard to kill with javelins against such a fast-moving enemy. At least mine was charged by the bodyguards, didn't get away in time even with skirmish on, and were destroyed in detail.

As said, one Rohan general and 2 full-size Royal Guard cavalry failed to destroy a single unit of these guys, and the royal guard was totally destroyed in fighting. It is one of the most costly victories I have ever had compared to the little opposition I actually faced.

Not sure how they are in vanilla.

[Juli]

Well... massed Rohan Riders might do the job. Or, if you're just too cheap, Scouts

The Scouts are very fragile, but since the Rhun Bodyguard will kill anything easily, Scouts will die at the same speed as your other, costlier units

[HolyDevil]

so i just did a battle where i had 3x generals, 2x blecoth javelin guys, 2x clansmen, 1x variag (i only used their arrows, then saved them)

vs like 11 dwarves units, mix of warriors, miners and axeman, i lost 120 men (out of wich 50 were stupidly lost) ... i won with my generals charge, AND i only managed to kill their captain after i destroyed 70% of the army already

this was in vanilla...

i have another stack to go near dale (yipie for invasions!) has 4x generals, im gonna make half a stack of these guys only for open battles, they are just OP... im yet to understand how half/or full stacks appear out of nowhere with dwarves... they appeared from the back, out of nowhere...

[Withwnar]

I can't say that I've been overly troubled by them. Elven archers seem to make pretty short work of them.

[Shocked]

In normal TATW, I don't think they are that hard... I can kill them off easily..

[Muffer Nl]

RC/RR

[Graviak]

Those wainriders are that bad, that i forgot about them, after their first rampage through my dwarven ranks!

[Balbor]

Rohan's cavalry sizes are probably too small, they should be the same other factions infantry. considering Kingdoms takes units up to 250, having any unit at 150 is a bit of a missed opportunity (unless its cavalry and elites etc).

Only the Variags of Khand‎ came close to matching Rohan's cavalry, probably a mix of Skythian and Hunnic

[EOMER]

If you think rohan is underpowered raise the stats and numbers of their calary and infantry.