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    Tell Us Your Point Of View About USA's Foreign Policy. Please Stay On Topic And Don't Discuss Old, Historical Facts. Just Vote Yes or Not And Tell Us Why.

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    Bring Back the Bad Guys PDF The logical end of the democracy crusade
    By Jeff Huber
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    Conquerors immemorial have known that the secret to successful occupations is to let the guys who surrender stay in charge of the yokels. We are presently bogged down in two quagmires because we haven’t learned that lesson. Iraq’s government and security forces are incompetent and corrupt, the Kurdish situation remains unresolved, and nobody seems confident that the country will ever be able to function as an independent state again. Oh, for the good old days under Saddam Hussein! Whatever you want to say about the son of a sand dune, he didn’t need a field manual to figure out how to run his country. Neither did Mohammed Omar’s Taliban need a book on how to run Afghanistan. They have lived in the neighborhood for a very long time.
    Decapitating regimes through military force is the most foolhardy of foreign-policy acts. The Prussians discovered this the hard way in the Franco- Prussian War. They defeated the French Army at Sedan and took Napoleon III prisoner along with 140,000 of his soldiers. But the war dragged on for months because the French formed a new government and a new army and kept fighting. They didn’t like the idea of Germans occupying their country. Imagine that.
    Few military victories have been more stunning than the fall of Baghdad during Operation Iraqi Freedom, but the fighting continues almost seven years later. We supposedly ousted the Taliban from Afghanistan eight years ago, and we’re still trying to oust them. We’d be better off by far if we had never invaded either but worked instead with the power structures already in place. As Tip O’Neill said, “All politics is local.”
    Now we can’t bring Hussein back, and whether Nouri al-Maliki can manage to hold Iraq together remains to be seen. We may yet end up with the three-state solution that Joe Biden proposed in 2006. But whatever falls out, it will only work if we back away. We will never understand Iraq.
    Nor will we ever comprehend the political and social complexities of Afghanistan. As is true in most countries engaged in a guerrilla-style civil war, it’s impossible to tell the civilians and insurgents apart. Which Taliban are we fighting? There seem to be quite a few. What about the other outfits like Hizb-e-Islami and the Haqqani network? How do the warlords figure in? The tribes?
    If there are any good guys in Afghanistan, they aren’t part of the corrupt Karzai government that we’re propping up. As one Afghan put it, seeking justice from the regime “is like going to the wolves for help, when the wolves have stolen your sheep.” But calling the Afghan population the “center of gravity,” as our top military leaders do these days, is also a mistake. Populations may be a critical factor in foreign relations but only to the extent that they influence the real strategic center of gravity, political leadership. That’s why fictional aliens don’t step out of their spaceships and say, “Take me to your tired, your poor ...”
    Our success in terminating World War II was a result of leaving the political institutions of our vanquished enemies intact. Germany’s Karl Doenitz signed a piece of paper that said “Onkel” and the war in Europe was over. One of our biggest mistakes in Iraq was ousting Ba’athist leaders who knew how to keep things under control. Our biggest mistake in Afghanistan was putting Hamid Karzai in power; he clearly doesn’t know how to keep things under control. The closest thing Afghanistan has to a political leader is Omar, who was its de facto head of state from 1996 to 2001. If we ever hope to get our arms around the situation there, we’ll have to deal with him.
    Making cozy with Omar will rub many in Washington the wrong way, but doing business with your enemies is what foreign policy is about: we hardly have a contemporary ally that we haven’t fought a war with at some point in our relatively short history. In Iraq, we lowered levels of violence by bribing the guys who were shooting at us. Successful conduct of foreign policy is a slutty business.
    Nobody will argue that these are nice men. Hussein did horrible things to his own people, and Omar’s Taliban are a grim lot, but let’s face it: they’ve done less harm to their countries than we have in the process of removing them, so who is the actual bad guy? A great fallacy of our counterinsurgency doctrine is the notion that we can win the hearts and minds of whatever freedom-loving people we happen to be blowing to smithereens.
    An even greater delusion is that we actually do counterinsurgency. We don’t counter insurgents; we are the insurgents. We’re the ones who remove existing governments. We’re the ones who prop up puppets. The people we call insurgents are trying to take their countries back from us.
    We’ve spent the last eight years proving that history’s mightiest nation can’t fix the world’s problems at gunpoint. We can do things to encourage good behavior and discourage bad, but we can’t have our way all the time. We need to develop a sense of tolerance—and we can afford to. Jingoistic slogans to the contrary, the oceans protect Barack Obama’s America just as they protected George Washington’s. Nobody has the resources to invade and occupy us. Nobody ever will.
    And despots tend to bring about their own demises. Libya’s Mohammar Khadafi has become a farcical gasbag. Saddam was already a toothless tinhorn when we invaded. The best way to cope with Kim Jong Il is to stop paying attention to him. He doesn’t have a pot to cook in. Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a jackdaw with a penchant for the taste of his foot, but he’s not the real power in Iran: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is the country’s supreme leader. Hugo Chavez isn’t worth glaring at. No one can compete with us militarily, and the world’s economy would collapse without us. Terrorism has become the weapon of choice against us, but it is best combated through policing and non-military political means.
    We have two choices in Afghanistan. We can mount an enormous counterinsurgency operation and allow the effort to drain us like it drained Britain and Russia, or we can let cooperative elements of the Taliban share power in their country. That may lead to Omar becoming head of state again, but so what? Nobody thinks Karzai is worth a handkerchief-load, and we know he hasn’t been legally elected.
    What about al-Qaeda? National Security Adviser James Jones says the group is down to fewer than 100 fighters according to the “maximum estimate,” and Gen. Stanley McChrystal admits that he sees little sign of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. Why would we want to occupy an entire country for the sake of tracking down 100 terrorists who aren’t there?
    We might be able to coax a strongman like Omar into playing ball with us on al-Qaeda. If he doesn’t, we have other alternatives. Our surveillance and airpower are sufficient to ensure that al-Qaeda doesn’t rebuild its infrastructure, and our internal security is significantly improved since 9/11. The Department of Homeland Security is nobody’s idea of a great government institution, but we have a focus on countering terrorism within our borders that did not exist eight years ago. Today, nobody swimming in the alphabet soup—NORTHCOM, NCIS, NORAD, CIA, FBI, USCG, etc.—wants to be the sorry slob responsible for letting another terror attack take place.
    There’s a reasonable fear that if we let the Omars of this world take over their countries we’ll eventually create another Hitler, but the real Hitler kicked off World War II with the world’s best army. None of these little Hitlers will ever challenge our military superiority. So the question becomes how much military we need to keep them from becoming too annoying.
    Half the force we now have would still be overwhelming. The key to effective use of that much power is to use it sparingly. But we have yet to find a cure for our perverse tendency to molest the world or to understand that the mother of our intervention is not necessity. After World War II, the size and shape of our arsenal kept a general war from breaking out between us and the Soviets, but when we committed ourselves to small Third World wars, we didn’t do so hot.
    No one will take us on in a symmetric military confrontation now. We’re hanging on to a high-dollar force so that we don’t have to use it. That’s fine—to an extent. Our military can serve a vital function as a force in being, one that extends a controlling influence without actually deploying and fighting. But using it to depose tinhorn strongmen like Hussein and Omar is an errand for fools, as we have so foolishly proven.
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    Commander Jeff Huber, U.S. Navy (retired), writes at Pen and Sword and is the author of Bathtub Admirals, a lampoon on America’s rise to global dominance.

    Source: http://www.amconmag.com/article/2010/jan/01/00022/

    my answer: yes, but so what?
    all countries are 'aggressive' at achieving what they want if they had the resources
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    Yep.

    Because if you annoy the US enough they will kick you arse. And if there is no real cassus belli then they will orchestrate one and kick your arse anyway.

    I love the USA.

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    any major power would have what others consider an 'aggressive' foreign policy
    global reach and power mean just that

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    The USA's foreign policy is undenabily aggressive, but that is not the issue, the issue is, is the Aggression justifable, and even working for American interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    any major power would have what others consider an 'aggressive' foreign policy
    global reach and power mean just that
    yeah I agree.

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    It is aggressive, but it can't afford not to be. Nothing to be ashamed of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    It is aggressive, but it can't afford not to be. Nothing to be ashamed of.
    I love you, ivan. A merry Christmas to you for that stance!

    It is obvious that America is aggressive in its foreign policy, but that is good, in my mind. The only problem today is simply that the U.S.A.'s forces are way too stretched out. Okinawa airbase is still in operation and the Baden-Württemburg installations continue their lease until 2099 (a bit of extortion by Eisenhower in 1945?). I just don't see the point of America having 700 bases in 130+ countries, other than the ones which are war zones, or are near war zones. It's a little too aggressive for my tastes, not to mention bankrupting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    It is aggressive, but it can't afford not to be. Nothing to be ashamed of.
    As long as one is not inclined to puff up in a militaristic and nationalistic (aka "embarassing") manner, there is not at all a reason to be ashamed for whatever your government does. The big policy and economy and decisions of a country's leadership to go to war is neither the responsibility nor the business of a normal countryman. Especially citizens of large and multi-ethnic countries like the US or Russia shouldn't feel bothered personally, if one criticises the acts of the respective governments, but i guess some people just enjoy to be bothered



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    "Is USA's Foreign Policy Aggressive Or Not?"

    No, it's not particularly aggressive (especially under Obama), maybe according to Western standards, but not generally speaking.
    Last edited by swabian; December 18, 2009 at 05:46 AM.

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    Yes, of course.

    Any country who can afford to have an aggressive foreign policy has an aggressive foreign policy- after all, attack is the best form of defence.
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    I don't even think hardline conservatives would deny that the US has an aggressive foreign policy. But there is growing demand for that kind of behavior to change.
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    Amerika was blessed by christian God to fight against Islam.
    If you think, that it is not agression..




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaszub View Post
    Amerika was blessed by christian God to fight against Islam.
    If you think, that it is not agression..
    Who ever said that?

    And last time I check the US was one of the first major powers to recognize Kosovo, a predominantly Muslim nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaszub View Post
    Amerika was blessed by christian God to fight against Islam.
    If you think, that it is not agression..
    Funnily enough Islam is fought against by others also. Like Hindus in India. In fact by everyone, everywhere who doesn't like it.

    No need for apocalyptic mumbo-jumbo here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Funnily enough Islam is fought against by others also. Like Hindus in India. In fact by everyone, everywhere who doesn't like it.

    No need for apocalyptic mumbo-jumbo here.
    Actually apparently Christians in India and Muslims get along.

    Same in the Palestine Territories, Syria and Egypt.

    And the US.
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    yes we are aggressive but not aggressive enough

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    Well first and foremost America's foreign policy is aggressive in the economic sense. Our military is out to protect the expansion of our economic interests. Globalization/Americanization has been a huge success for the USA. A starbucks and Mcdonalds on every corner as they say. Trade is the lifeblood of our economy just like it was for all major powers. An aggressive foreign policy is not a bad thing, in fact it has been rather profitable for most of the world. The giant American military has allowed european countries to downsize their own militaries because they are under the wing of American protection. They therefore can spend alot more money on social programs. The overwhelming size of the American navy has allowed sea lanes to remain open and relatively safe from piracy ( well for the most part). The simply fact is when you have one major power on the block, it tends to keep regional powers from entering into an arms race and small bush wars from flaring up.

    So yes its an aggressive policy, but it generally works well for everyone. One good thing about understanding a greedy capitalistic culture is that they are generally very predictable. The US is out to make money, and as long as its doing it, both sides can generally profit in peace.

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    Yes, but in a defensive manner. They do not attack areas on a whim or for no reason unless they feel threatened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Funnily enough Islam is fought against by others also. Like Hindus in India. In fact by everyone, everywhere who doesn't like it.

    No need for apocalyptic mumbo-jumbo here.
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    America never attacks unless threatened therfore i can't really consider it agressive.
    but it does act like the world's police force sometimes.

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    Oh yeah, especially the wannabe Texans.
    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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