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    Gulf states to launch their own petrodollar, the 'gulfo'

    AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD

    December 19, 2009
    LONDON: The Arab states of the Persian Gulf have agreed to launch a single currency modelled on the euro, hoping to blaze a trail towards a pan-Arab monetary union.
    ''The Gulf monetary union pact has come into effect,'' said the Kuwaiti Finance Minister, Mustafa al-Shamali, speaking at a Gulf Co-operation Council summit meeting in Kuwait City. The move will give the hyper-rich club of oil exporters a petro-currency of its own, greatly increasing its influence in the global exchange and capital markets and potentially displacing the US dollar as the pricing currency for oil contracts. Between them the Gulf countries amount to a regional superpower with a gross domestic product of $US1.2 trillion ($1.3 trillion), some 40 per cent of the world's proven oil reserves, and financial clout equal to that of China.
    Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Qatar are to launch the first phase of the single currency next year, creating a Gulf Monetary Council that will evolve quickly into a full-fledged central bank.
    The United Arab Emirates is staying out for now - irked that the bank will be located in Riyadh, at the insistence of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah, rather than in Abu Dhabi. The UAE is expected join later, along with Oman.
    The Gulf states remain divided over the wisdom of anchoring their economies to the US dollar. The Gulf currency - dubbed the ''gulfo'' - is likely to track a global exchange basket and may ultimately float as a regional reserve currency in its own right.
    ''The US dollar has failed. We need to delink,'' said Nahed Taher, chief executive of Bahrain's Gulf One Investment Bank.
    The project is inspired by Europe's monetary union, seen as a huge success in the Arab world. But there are concerns that the region is trying to run before it can walk.
    Europe took 40 years to reach the point where it felt ready to launch a currency.
    Bahrain's Foreign Minister, Sheikh Khalid Bin Ahmad Al Kalifa, said the project would not work unless Gulf countries break down basic barriers to trade and capital flows. At the moment, trucks sit paralysed at border posts for days awaiting entry clearance, and there is almost no labour mobility between states.
    ''The single currency should come last. We need to co-ordinate our economic policies and build up common infrastructure as a first step,'' Sheikh Khalid said.
    There is a logic to an Arab currency. The region speaks one language, has the unifying creed of ''Umma Wahida'' or One Nation from the Koran, and has never torn itself apart in wars in the way Europe has.
    But hurdles are formidable. While the eurozone is a club of rough equals - with Germany, France, Italy and Spain each holding two votes on the European Central Bank council - the gulf currency will be dominated by the Saudis. The risk is that other countries will feel like satellites.
    But in a sign of willingness to co-operate, the council also agreed to create a joint military strike force, akin to the EU's rapid reaction force. This is a breakthrough after years of deadlock on defence co-operation.
    Telegraph, London
    source: http://www.smh.com.au/world/gulf-sta...1217-l02g.html

    so looks like them a-rabs are triyng to emulate the EU
    perhaps turkey might want to join(?)

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    Default Re: First Step Towards a Pan-Arab Union: the Gulfo

    The "gulf-o"? WTF arabs?

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    Wait.. are they creating a currency that will rapidly hyper-inflate during oil-fear cycles, then deflate rapidly when people realize that there will still be oil around - only to finally go down to zero-worth when their oil runs out?

    Sounds like the worst idea ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    Wait.. are they creating a currency that will rapidly hyper-inflate during oil-fear cycles, then deflate rapidly when people realize that there will still be oil around - only to finally go down to zero-worth when their oil runs out?

    Sounds like the worst idea ever.
    Disaster for the oil-based hegemonies is success for the rest of the world. You know, as long as the oil still flows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian View Post
    Disaster for the oil-based hegemonies is success for the rest of the world. You know, as long as the oil still flows
    the spice must flow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Saladin would be beaming


    so looks like them a-rabs are triyng to emulate the EU
    perhaps turkey might want to join(?)
    Doom to failure, 1) cause Saudis will dwarf everyone this will basically be them directing monetary policy 2) its the modern day middle east if you gave them a paint by numbers kit to paint they would screw it up 3) what happenes when oil dries up? the jewel Dubai has proven to be hollow I think the countries in gulf are better off focusing on internal/domestic issues instead of creating an entity which will be little more then a bunch of Greece and Irelands (see current economic crisis).

    And finally the name...gulfo..REALLY? I mean that alone pretty much indicates the intelligent/creative minds behind this...woe to the middle east. I thought the amero was bad but atleast that was fake and a joke.....

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    Default Re: First Step Towards a Pan-Arab Union: the Gulfo

    And finally the name...gulfo..REALLY? I mean that alone pretty much indicates the intelligent/creative minds behind this...woe to the middle east. I thought the amero was bad but atleast that was fake and a joke.....
    Its a translation, they speak arabic - it probably sounds less stupid in their native language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    Its a translation, they speak arabic - it probably sounds less stupid in their native language.
    Dude its almost xmas cant you atleast let me have fun laughing at the gulfo!? Go tell little kids santa isnt real instead.

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    Well thats pretty dam stupid.
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    this'd definitely be interesting
    i guess the saudis are doing what they can in anticipation of a world that has weaned itself of oil

    oh we'll still need oil-for agriculture and plastics-but not for cars or industry;

    i'd feeel better if the 'reserve bank' (if u will) was centred in a relatively more pro west arab nation like UAE than a wahabbist nation like saudi arabia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    this'd definitely be interesting
    i guess the saudis are doing what they can in anticipation of a world that has weaned itself of oil
    What? That's the opposite of what's happening. They are creating a currency whose value will fluctuate with the price of oil because their entire economies are based on oil. It'll be dreadfully unstable -- considering how up and down oil prices are -- and when they run out of oil, their currency will tank faster than a lead zeppelin.

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    Default Re: First Step Towards a Pan-Arab Union: the Gulfo

    Sounds racist. Where's the White Union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Sounds racist. Where's the White Union?
    The EU?

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    Default Re: First Step Towards a Pan-Arab Union: the Gulfo

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Ferguson View Post
    The EU?
    That's generally considered to be a geographical area, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    That's generally considered to be a geographical area, I believe.
    Only partly it's a political organisation. And how is it different to a union of arab states? What's racist about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Ferguson View Post
    Only partly it's a political organisation. And how is it different to a union of arab states? What's racist about that?
    Aren't Arabs a race, or at least people who see themselves as one?

    Why not "The Middle East'' Union or something geographical they find suitable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    That's generally considered to be a geographical area, I believe.
    So is arabia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookah Smoking Caterpiller View Post
    So is arabia.
    How big is this Arabia? Can you show me the nations for this proposed AU in relation to this Arabia? Does it extend outside of the Saud territories?

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    Let the Arab nations be wise and not commit themselves all to a single currency, bank and interest rate. The EMU is struggling right now, simply because the Euro was a purely political move, and one single interest rate will satisfy neither Germany nor Greece.

    Monetary sovereignty, and the ability to adjust interest rates, is a precious tool in governing a country which they would be foolish to relinquish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance-Corporal Jones View Post
    Let the Arab nations be wise and not commit themselves all to a single currency, bank and interest rate. The EMU is struggling right now, simply because the Euro was a purely political move, and one single interest rate will satisfy neither Germany nor Greece.

    Monetary sovereignty, and the ability to adjust interest rates, is a precious tool in governing a country which they would be foolish to relinquish.

    so scotland and wales should leave the pund?

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