20 factions and 60 provinces?

Screenshot on the main map I counted 20 fractions and 60 provinces. It will not be a big game but the mini-game.
Why CA? Why....

Originally Posted by King Louise Assurbanipal

Screenshot on the main map I counted 20 fractions and 60 provinces. It will not be a big game but the mini-game.
Why CA? Why....

Well probably the same reason there won't be a Royal Marine unit and why the Scots Greys is a preorder unit from steam only.

Originally Posted by King Louise Assurbanipal

Screenshot on the main map I counted 20 fractions and 60 provinces. It will not be a big game but the mini-game.
Why CA? Why....

Last I checked, the game's in late Alpha or mid-Beta. That map isn't the final map. Stop whining about how "CA is being a liar!" when the damn game isn't even out yet.

theyre on to a further stage than that, but no photos have been released by CA themselves, all by game sites where the photos couldve been taken weeks, to months ago

plus 20 factions is about right, who else would you suggest?

Originally Posted by RuleBritannia

Last I checked, the game's in late Alpha or mid-Beta. That map isn't the final map. Stop whining about how "CA is being a liar!" when the damn game isn't even out yet.

It's two months before release. They damned better not be still in Alpha.

Originally Posted by RuleBritannia

Last I checked, the game's in late Alpha or mid-Beta. That map isn't the final map. Stop whining about how "CA is being a liar!" when the damn game isn't even out yet.

So when the game comes out and we see this was the final map, can I whine then?

Originally Posted by Abspara

So when the game comes out and we see this was the final map, can I whine then?

YEP

Originally Posted by Ebusitanus

You really think this is not final? Now thats what I call an optimist!

Calling them liers, cheaters, %&# holes, etc. and then buying their games won't change anything, so optimism is better.

Originally Posted by TheAussieDigger

theyre on to a further stage than that, but no photos have been released by CA themselves, all by game sites where the photos couldve been taken weeks, to months ago

plus 20 factions is about right, who else would you suggest?

It's normal that NTW has only a few factions, it's only 1 continent with big empires in it, right?

Originally Posted by RuleBritannia

Last I checked, the game's in late Alpha or mid-Beta. That map isn't the final map. Stop whining about how "CA is being a liar!" when the damn game isn't even out yet.

I will put money down that CA has already lied about something with NTW. I mean , CA is already liars just look what they claimed Empire would be.

The 20 factions seems fine to me...especially since it's just Europe. We really don't need all the minor German states. Throw in a few as a representative sample and it's good enough. What I want to know is how many of them are playable. I don't want to be France every time. And then, how many are REALLY playable....unlike the modded in minors in ETW....most of them don't have full unit rosters, schools, etc. Even if the minors just have a full generic roster i'd be ok.

The 60 provinces kind of sucks. I think there's a fine line between having too few and too MANY provinces, but 60 does seem on the extreme low end.

I confirm that the french magazine "pc jeux" of december speaks about "20 factions playable"

Originally Posted by RuleBritannia

Last I checked, the game's in late Alpha or mid-Beta. That map isn't the final map. Stop whining about how "CA is being a liar!" when the damn game isn't even out yet.

I think the map is fine first off to start.
However Jack Lusted has said this is the final Map, we can expect it to look better but not contain more regions
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...05#post6429405

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Anatolia, North Africa and Northern Scandinavia do not have any regions in the Europe map. That is the Europe map for Napoleon, not a placeholder or the old Empire one (though the look of all campaign maps has improved a lot since the video). It has a lot more regions than the Empire Europe map. The third campaign is a grand campaign, sure if you play as France you will be nudged in certain ways by missions and victory conditions and in the way the campaign is set up with alliances etc. but that is it, just like the first two campaigns. I think people are assuming the campaigns will be a lot more scripted than they actually are

RuleBritannia, In the case of ETW, they also said it is not the final version. It turned out later that nothing had changed. Such cases, there were many such units, battles, provinces, etc. They always say that something will change, but in the end nothing changes.
Jack lusted argued that the NTW screenshots that people criticize are old, but recently published by PC Gamer. He said that CA did the new units and those screenshots are outdated. As it turned out, the CA has published a few days later, the same screens on the main page. Signed with the latest screenshots and previously claimed that they are not definitive. I no longer believe them. Similar cases were more than 10

No, these scrrenshots where released 2 months before release, doesn't mean the shots where taken recently, they where probably taken 5-7 months ago. Same with most other screenshots. Just cause screenies are released recently doesn't mean they were taken recently

You really think this is not final? Now thats what I call an optimist!

"Oh no only 60 provinces, why so few!", I'll tell you why...because sieges suck and Napoleonic battles hardly ever had them. If you make more provinces you are just going to get more sieges and make it feel very un-Napoleonic.

As for 20 factions, ehh that's not terrible. Not great, but not awful. I mean honestly how much fun will I have dealing with the hundreds of German states? Not much, and again it would turn in to a giant siege-fest which I would never want.

Originally Posted by Tiberius Tosi

"Oh no only 60 provinces, why so few!", I'll tell you why...because sieges suck and Napoleonic battles hardly ever had them. If you make more provinces you are just going to get more sieges and make it feel very un-Napoleonic.

As for 20 factions, ehh that's not terrible. Not great, but not awful. I mean honestly how much fun will I have dealing with the hundreds of German states? Not much, and again it would turn in to a giant siege-fest which I would never want.

The guy's never happy. It'll take a miracle to stop him from buying NTW(I'm not kidding). He'll buy it anyways and still complain regardless. I propose we'd dedicate a thread to his complaints so he doesn't have to keep making a new thread every time something new gets sent out.

However, one thing I should point out is that the game is running two weeks per turn and includes attrition so I'm curious as to how the armies and navies travel in comparison to our regular map.

So a bigger map with even more provinces may not be practical for NTW because it's a more magnified map of ETW. I'm curious on how long it would take for our armies to march from Paris all the way to moscow where we also have to build supply depots to keep the army fed.

Originally Posted by Tiberius Tosi

"Oh no only 60 provinces, why so few!", I'll tell you why...because sieges suck and Napoleonic battles hardly ever had them. If you make more provinces you are just going to get more sieges and make it feel very un-Napoleonic.

There were actually quite a few sieges in the Napoleonic War

Here are a few -

Siege of Almeida (1811)

Siege of Burgos

Siege of Chaves

Siege of Ciudad Rodrigo (1810) & Siege of Ciudad Rodrigo (1812)

Siege of Danzig (1807)

Siege of El Arish

Siege of Gaeta (1806)

Siege of Jaffa

Siege of San Sebastián

Siege of Astorga

Siege of Dunkirk (1793)

Siege of Hamburg

Siege of Tarragona (1813)

Originally Posted by Terafis

There were actually quite a few sieges in the Napoleonic War

Here are a few -

Siege of Almeida (1811)

Siege of Burgos

Siege of Chaves

Siege of Ciudad Rodrigo (1810) & Siege of Ciudad Rodrigo (1812)

Siege of Danzig (1807)

Siege of El Arish

Siege of Gaeta (1806)

Siege of Jaffa

Siege of San Sebastián

Siege of Astorga

Siege of Dunkirk (1793)

Siege of Hamburg

Siege of Tarragona (1813)

You left out Mantua, that was a big one (albeit inconclusive as it ended in surrender). Nonetheless, compared with the land battles that is significantly lower number that even in the Empire timeframe. Sieges were rare, and usually did not take place in large cities, usually that battle was fought well outside the city (and even upon retreating the force would usually only leave a small garrison if the city had a citadel, just to harass and stall the occupying force). However, in game, this would be too hard to mimick if we had a lot of regions. AI factions would simply do what they did in Empire, load most of their men into their cities, and make sieges into some giant army sitting in a fort and very ineffective at fighting, while you just pound away at them with artillery and only a couple of actual battles are fought in the open. Sieges were less of the focus in Napoleonic times, and usually were small in scale compared to previous sieges (where entire armies were pinned up in forts). Sieges of cities were hardly important by Napoleonic times and armies would generally fight outside the city, and one way to represent this in game is simply to have less regions and force more battles in the open by way of doing this. The other option would be to change AI, but we all know that would not happen.

Well, some people mentioned, that the shwon map here on page 1 last post is only that of the Italy raid!!! Not sure if it is true.

However, if this new feature with the supply system and morale etc. is as good as worked out what some people are thinking, then a fight around a single province could be like a fight against a complete facton in the earlier titles, if not harder.
So in a result it could be, that the number of provinces is minor important ... but I'm also sceptically at this point, because everything rises and fells with the new feature and how good it is really at least.

Hmmm......Well it seems I will be seeing what others say before I buy NTW, just as most of you will be doing