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    Default Paris - Muslims Take Over Streets for Friday Prayers

    Muslims in Paris have come to dominate more and more of the public space by setting up prayer mats on foothpaths blocking the entrances to shops and forcing citizens to go around them.

    Have a look at this video which shows exactly that:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbi...e-en-caus_news

    The Muslim officials of some kind wearing orange armbands become aggressive with a Parisian who decides to video the spectacle. Can't take a video of your sidewalk in Paris now without being accosted. It's only in French however, apologies for that.

    Eurabia is not coming. It's here.

    A further report about Muslims taking over the streets in Paris. Translated from Google for you:

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    MUSLIM PRAYERS IN THE STREETS OF PARIS (continued)
    Mapping Mapping Islamized Barbes Barbès Islamized

    Monday, October 26, 2009 by Maxime Lepanto Monday, October 26, 2009 by Maxime Lepanto

    Here is a detailed explanation of how Muslims perform every Friday to take control of the streets of Barbes district, and confiscate their inhabitants: Here is a detailed explanation of how Muslims perform every Friday to take control of The Streets of Barbes district , and confiscate their inhabitants:

    1) Mosque Street Polonceau:



    In red, the streets are blocked, banned vehicles and pedestrians by Muslims, and whose inhabitants can not enter or leave their homes for nearly two hours.

    In orange, the streets are blocked and closed to vehicles by the Muslims, pedestrians can still pass on the floor.

    In green, the streets whose sidewalks are confiscated by Muslims to pray, forcing pedestrians to walk on the floor.

    In most of these streets, the shops are forced to close during the Muslim prayer.

    A: A barrier is placed across the carriageway of the street Polonceau at its beginning on the streets of Poissonnier to 13h.

    B: a barrier is placed across the carriageway of the street Polonceau at the beginning of the street-Erckmann Chatrian, to 13.30.

    C: a barrier is placed across the road from the Rue des Poissonniers at its beginning on the Boulevard Barbès, about 14h.

    From A to B, over 120 meters long, the street is totally Polonceau confiscated by Muslims: no vehicles, no pedestrians, no person on the street has the right to pass.

    From C Street to Poissonniers, vehicles can not pass after 14h. Both streets are fully occupied by Muslims. Recently, Muslims began to install their carpets on the floor also. Month after month, free passage for pedestrians shrinking.

    2) Mosque Street Myrha 2) Mosque Street Myrha:

    In red, the streets are blocked, banned vehicles and pedestrians by Muslims, and whose inhabitants can not enter or leave their homes for nearly two hours.

    In orange, the streets are blocked and closed to vehicles by the Muslims, pedestrians can still pass on a narrow sidewalk.

    In green, the streets whose sidewalks are confiscated by Muslims to pray, forcing pedestrians to walk on the floor.

    In most of these streets, the shops are forced to close during the Muslim prayer.



    A: 3 to 4 cars are parked in the middle of the street Myrha, at the height of the outlet street Affre, to 13.30.

    B: 4 barriers are placed across the roadway at the intersection of Rue Myrha and Leo Street around 13:30.

    C: 2 cars are parked at the beginning of Leo Street and then a barrier placed across it, before the cars around 14h.

    From B to A, over 100 meters long, the street is totally Myrha confiscated by Muslims: no vehicles, no pedestrians, no person on the street has the right to pass.

    From C to B, pedestrians can pass on the narrow sidewalk of the Rue Leon until 14h. Then, it was also covers carpet and Muslims, making de facto any way possible.

    3) A scandal that has lasted 10 years:

    We renew our call last week: how long the French authorities leave they take before to intervene and stop these illegal methods? We renew our call last week: how long the French authorities take before they leave to intervene and stop these illegal methods? How many streets are occupied, confiscated, conquered by Muslims, in downtown Paris, the City Council before the 18th arrondissement, the Paris City Hall, the Prefecture of Paris, the government does finally decide to act?


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    Last edited by Simon Cashmere; December 17, 2009 at 05:02 PM.

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    Yeah, I noticed that when I went to Paris, how the Champs Elysee was completely choked with muslims praying

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    No big deal. I've seen them take over roads and block traffic. And you know what? I'm perfectly OK with it. Nothing sinister here except if you would rather not see them practice their strange and weird ways, which suggests a problem with you, not with them. And that "Muslim official" was a security personnel, watch your own video properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thema'zandaar View Post
    And that "Muslim official" was a security personnel, watch your own video properly.
    So what? He wasn't working for the government, he was working for the Muslims as if he owned the sidewalk. What was he 'securing', but the right of muslims to close down a major area of Paris on Friday because they want to pray in the street, so people cannot go around them and use the sidewalk. Pray in the mosque, pray in the park - but instead - they pray on the footpaths which are already crowded enough and block shops from trading.

    What about all the business owners that have their livelihoods damaged because people are not prepared to try to go through aggressive muslim 'security' officials who now apparently have dominion over the footpath.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adhamh Ashashi View Post
    Wow. If it was a protest, no problem, but Muslims going out on the streets? Shocking. This doesn't deserve a topic
    A protest that shuts down businesses and disrupts the city streets for a few hours every Friday like Paris is in fact Riyadh, a working day for others in Paris is worthy of a topic I think. Tolerance doesn't mean one group of people gets to decide they own the streets of Paris and be disruptive to trade and the free flow of traffic. It's just another example of one group wanting to aggressively dominate the public space.
    Last edited by Simon Cashmere; December 17, 2009 at 05:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    So what? He wasn't working for the government, he was working for the Muslims as if he owned the sidewalk.
    Do you have any concept of how these things work? You can't just purchase a security armband from a local department store, they're usually city-issued, with full understanding of why they are being used. Can you prove to me that the man himself was even a muslim? He doesn't seem to feel the need to join in the prayers himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    What was he 'securing', but the right of muslims to close down a major area of Paris on Friday because they want to pray in the street, so people cannot go around them and use the sidewalk. Pray in the mosque, pray in the park - but instead - they pray on the footpaths which are already crowded enough and block shops from trading.
    Again, your appalling lack of knowledge is ridiculous. Such "street-side prayer" events often occur when there is no more space within the local mosque. In short, there is probably a mosque nearby and it is full to the brim. As a further example of you stupidity, you clearly fail to notice just how far this freelance cameraman is able to walk before he reaches an obstruct. This clearly means that the majority of shops in the vicinity are not blocked. I wouldn't be further surprised if the blocked off area was the entrance to the mosque.


    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    What about all the business owners that have their livelihoods damaged because people are not prepared to try to go through aggressive muslim 'security' officials who now apparently have dominion over the footpath.
    If Parisans have issues, they can call the police and/or complain to the municipality. I don't see that happening, which obviously means that they aren't bothered or that the city has consented to this action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thema'zandaar View Post
    Do you have any concept of how these things work? You can't just purchase a security armband from a local department store, they're usually city-issued, with full understanding of why they are being used. Can you prove to me that the man himself was even a muslim? He doesn't seem to feel the need to join in the prayers himself.
    No, usually they are not at least in Finland.

    Organizations can have their own security staff, who though have to pass a course but are beyond that not controlled by city. Most likely similar arrangement exists in France.

    Thus, city does not issue any bands. Organizations hire their own security staff from people who have passed mentioned course.


    Again, your appalling lack of knowledge is ridiculous. Such "street-side prayer" events often occur when there is no more space within the local mosque. In short, there is probably a mosque nearby and it is full to the brim.
    Which does not make it ok. They are disrupting traffic and activities on streets. If mosque is too full, they should arrange multiple gatherings so that amount of people trying to pray at any given time does not exceed ability of mosque to contain.

    As a further example of you stupidity, you clearly fail to notice just how far this freelance cameraman is able to walk before he reaches an obstruct. This clearly means that the majority of shops in the vicinity are not blocked. I wouldn't be further surprised if the blocked off area was the entrance to the mosque.
    I would like to note that I have not watched video yet but I can point out few details...

    First, in the article it is noted that only ONE street is completely blocked. Meaning guy with camera would not naturally be able to shoot at that street.

    Edit: Did check out the video and it was as I suspected. There was room for pedestrians on orange and green zone, but when he went closer it got to "red" zone where there is no access at all visible. Clear obstruction of traffic.

    Furthermore, there is no excuse to have even minority of shops forced to close during their prayings. Or does mosque have arranged financial compensation for those stores who are either closed or have reduced business due to this prayer occasion?


    Remember everyone, your rights end when they interfere with rights of others. And store owners have every right to be free of interference for their business during legal business hours.

    If Parisans have issues, they can call the police and/or complain to the municipality. I don't see that happening, which obviously means that they aren't bothered or that the city has consented to this action.
    Or they are afraid to spark yet another delightful riot with burning cars like some events a while ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thema'zandaar View Post
    Again, your appalling lack of knowledge is ridiculous. Such "street-side prayer" events often occur when there is no more space within the local mosque. In short, there is probably a mosque nearby and it is full to the brim. As a further example of you stupidity, you clearly fail to notice just how far this freelance cameraman is able to walk before he reaches an obstruct. This clearly means that the majority of shops in the vicinity are not blocked. I wouldn't be further surprised if the blocked off area was the entrance to the mosque
    Are you suggesting that they should build a Football field sized Mosque in central Paris? That is a huge amount of people that very few churches or mosques would be able to accomodate.

    The reasonable alternative is of course that every muslim go to their own local mosque to pray. Or that they make a deal with city officials to use a public park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adar View Post
    Are you suggesting that they should build a Football field sized Mosque in central Paris? That is a huge amount of people that very few churches or mosques would be able to accomodate.]The reasonable alternative is of course that every muslim go to their own local mosque to pray. Or that they make a deal with city officials to use a public park.
    Obviously you can't build a new mosque in the centre of Paris. But clearly, they need a bigger premise; a few of us have already raised this. From what we can see, it appears that this IS their local mosque and clearly it isn't adequate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    So what? He wasn't working for the government, he was working for the Muslims as if he owned the sidewalk. What was he 'securing', but the right of muslims to close down a major area of Paris on Friday because they want to pray in the street, so people cannot go around them and use the sidewalk. Pray in the mosque, pray in the park - but instead - they pray on the footpaths which are already crowded enough and block shops from trading.

    What about all the business owners that have their livelihoods damaged because people are not prepared to try to go through aggressive muslim 'security' officials who now apparently have dominion over the footpath.

    A protest that shuts down businesses and disrupts the city streets for a few hours every Friday like Paris is in fact Riyadh, a working day for others in Paris is worthy of a topic I think. Tolerance doesn't mean one group of people gets to decide they own the streets of Paris and be disruptive to trade and the free flow of traffic. It's just another example of one group wanting to aggressively dominate the public space.
    they need more and bigger mosque it seems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    they need more and bigger mosque it seems
    But that = Islamicization, you see. Unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    But that = Islamicization, you see. Unacceptable.
    and Islamisation=Eurabia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thema'zandaar View Post
    No big deal. I've seen them take over roads and block traffic. And you know what? I'm perfectly OK with it. Nothing sinister here except if you would rather not see them practice their strange and weird ways, which suggests a problem with you, not with them.
    This sort of cultural relativism is what killed common sense here in the west.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    This sort of cultural relativism is what killed common sense here in the west.
    Are you talking about the kind of "common sense" that most buried in the trenches of the World Wars without looking back ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    This sort of cultural relativism is what killed common sense here in the west.
    Yes, claiming that 2 hours weekly of a procession is evil Islamic imperialism is so much more intelligent in comparison.


    Freedom of assembly does not mean block of public thoroughfares with an arrogant sense of entitlement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Yes, claiming that 2 hours weekly of a procession is evil Islamic imperialism is so much more intelligent in comparison.
    No. Two hours of weekly muslim procession is two hours too much, nothing more, nothing less. It's not hard to draw a line and say "the Islam can go to here and no further."

    I would draw that line somewhere in the Balkans. Sometimes I swear left wing Europe would welcome a floodwave in on the premise of water being fun to swim in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    No. Two hours of weekly muslim procession is two hours too much, nothing more, nothing less. It's not hard to draw a line and say "the Islam can go to here and no further."

    I would draw that line somewhere in the Balkans. Sometimes I swear left wing Europe would welcome a floodwave in on the premise of water being fun to swim in.
    Better than watching you swim in the piss of inane bigotry.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    No. Two hours of weekly muslim procession is two hours too much, nothing more, nothing less. It's not hard to draw a line and say "the Islam can go to here and no further."

    I would draw that line somewhere in the Balkans.
    How silly. It's been far beyond that for a very long time now. Centuries actually.

    Also just making sure, but you do realise that first paragraph is fundamentally identical to "one synagogue in the neighbourhood is one synagogue too much" right...?
    Or "one black dude in this bar is one black dude too much", for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    No. Two hours of weekly muslim procession is two hours too much, nothing more, nothing less.
    Fabulous logic. It's two hours too much...why?

    And it's indeed too many: they should have a mosque to sit in instead.

    It's not hard to draw a line and say "the Islam can go to here and no further."

    I would draw that line somewhere in the Balkans.
    Actually, it is hard, because, apart from understandably annoying the Muslims, most of the European population isn't too kind with deportations based on ethnic grounds since the last time they were practised they didn't really end well and kinda value European values, and not Far Right barbarism which is most comparable to, amusingly, Islamism.

    Sometimes I swear left wing Europe would welcome a floodwave in on the premise of water being fun to swim in.
    And luckily, as with most Far Right swears and proclamations, that's not based on anything, erroneous and not going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
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    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Wow. If it was a protest, no problem, but Muslims going out on the streets? Shocking. This doesn't deserve a topic.

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    Living in a big city, I have a special hatred for people who impede my ability to travel effectively. In that sense, they suck.
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