Trolls...

[Disco_Stu]

... are bastards.

Everything was going great i had 5 stacks of my elite daleish armies led by 6 or higher star generals, just finished up with rhun and had 2 of those stacks moving in from behind Morodor and three heading towards the black gates... then their were olak-hais, mountian trolls and toll catapults.

within 20 turns of declaring war three of those stacks were obliterated, lost two generals was pushed back to mirkwood on my western front and completely out of morodor on my eastern front.

their unstopable! bloody unstopable! catapults only take out 20 or so of them (they have on average 40 per large engagment) and the rivermen i brought up due to their javalins are taken out by Morodors supporting infantry and their is little my elite troops can due because their to busy getting slaughterd by these damn tanks and their catapults.... i mean catapults are already deadly enough worked by men but then they get troll operators that are impossible to kill? NOT. FAIR. AT. ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARRRRGHGRHGRGGHHHHHHRGHHHH

(not asking for help or anything, found plenty of stratigies after a search of the forum just wanted to post a rant)

[EOMER]

if it bothers you so much change their defence stat

[Arch-hereticK]

How do we change their defence stats?

[caralampio]

The key to defeating trolls is strong swordsmen. Strong halberds or axes also work. However, spears for some reason are very weak against them (at least so I have noticed). I mean beyond that fact that trolls are NOT cavalry and therefore not vulnerable vs spears... Spearmen even having the same melee stats as swordsmen, do really bad against trolls. Maybe it has to do with their animation. Cavalry also suck in troll-fighting.

Catapults can seriously damage advancing trolls, if they are so kind to stroll towards you instead of running. Ballistas OTOH do extremely poorly against them, the spears just seem to go in between them. It is very funny sometimes I watch my ballista spears trying to hit trolls and they whish right behind their necks just as they bend forward, through the crook of their knees when they make a half step, under their armpits etc. but they almost never hit.

However, there is no unit that is really strong against trolls. Even your best units will suffer grievous casualties when fighting them. But that is as it's supposed to be. It is so disheartening to see them in the horizon. As that silly guy in Star Wars said, "It's OUCH time!!!"

[Kahvipannu]

Cavalry also suck in troll-fighting.

I have to disagree on that one. Cavalry is really effective against Trolls. Charge after charge, on theyr flank if possible, and Trolls are down pretty soon.

To Disco_Stu, here, this might help too:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=262519

Little suggestion, use search next time, there is tons of Troll threads allready.

Edit:

(not asking for help or anything, found plenty of stratigies after a search of the forum just wanted to post a rant)

Oh, I missed that line, my bad.

[Deedlit]

The key to defeating trolls is strong swordsmen. Strong halberds or axes also work. However, spears for some reason are very weak against them (at least so I have noticed). I mean beyond that fact that trolls are NOT cavalry and therefore not vulnerable vs spears... Spearmen even having the same melee stats as swordsmen, do really bad against trolls. Maybe it has to do with their animation. Cavalry also suck in troll-fighting.

Catapults can seriously damage advancing trolls, if they are so kind to stroll towards you instead of running. Ballistas OTOH do extremely poorly against them, the spears just seem to go in between them. It is very funny sometimes I watch my ballista spears trying to hit trolls and they whish right behind their necks just as they bend forward, through the crook of their knees when they make a half step, under their armpits etc. but they almost never hit.

However, there is no unit that is really strong against trolls. Even your best units will suffer grievous casualties when fighting them. But that is as it's supposed to be. It is so disheartening to see them in the horizon. As that silly guy in Star Wars said, "It's OUCH time!!!"

Lol Mumakil are push overs compaired to trolls, One capapult kill sends them into amock. But trolls? that man.. They need nerfing.

[Seleukos_I.]

You can kill Trolls quite easily with archers.

[damnmap]

Trolls count as infantry... the one thing infantry hate above anything else is someone slamming a group of cavalry into their rear. Do this to the trolls and they will die relatively quickly... or you can use massed archer fire, though ofc this will devastate the infantry the trolls are mauling

[EOMER]

you go to desc_unit

[arandy]

you go to desc_unit

are those changes save-game compatible?
or do I have to start a new campaign to make the changes work?

[IHV]

you go to desc_unit

And can anyone guide me where can i find such a thing. Ive searched all the folders in Third Age mod.

[PSIHOPAT]

Trolls... are bastards...their unstopable! bloody unstopable!
NOT. FAIR. AT. ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARRRRGHGRHGRGGHHHHHHRGHHHH

You can't imagine how much i laugh when i saw this...

Yea...its true that man...they are ing bastards...

And i love them

It is so disheartening to see them in the horizon. As that silly guy in Star Wars said, "It's OUCH time!!!"

Oh...i almost feel the pain who come from some hearts...and...i feel soooo...goooood

[Maha Moggalana]

in my Gondor campaign , always have 2 or 3 trolls unit in a full stack , but Mordor have many full stack so ... I often kick Wich-king's ass
Kill trolls is very hard , so combine your inf & archer , use cavalry charge carefully and always charge from behind Trolls . Don't fear trolls too much, they just ... inf and have attributes "area, launching"
launching = attack may throw target men into the air
area = attack affects an area, not just one man
Oh , trolls really dangerous when have these attributes.
Let 2 unit of finesst inf make 1 unit of trolls busy , then your 18 other units take care the rest of enemy . Eventually, you will win (either Gondor or Dale) . Then remain is 8-9 Trolls have 2-3 hitpoints and your entire army . What Trolls can win a battle like this ?
Remember , you must fight quickly , so always have 3-4 cav in you army . SE have useless Cav but their archer is the best in ME so it not a problem . And don't tell me you CAN'T kill trolls with Dwarves , it ridiculous.

[PSIHOPAT]

This man just have the hearth filled with blood...or poison...after some problems...and the situation exposed by he really show that...but he don't want anything more than to tell us about his pain...

(not asking for help or anything, found plenty of stratigies after a search of the forum just wanted to post a rant)

And thx again for that man...you make me to feel good

Sometimes...some of us...feed with pain..pain of us...or pain of others...

and that make us to feel good...to be more happy because we live

Is strange...ha..?..

[Shocked]

Lol yeah that is strange..
and I have found that you lose less men if you set them to loose formation, then the area attack doesn't work as well, and because of their large sizes it doesnt decrease fighting effectiveness of the unit

[Arágion]

I think it's sometimes ven easy to defeat trolls.

A lot of archers and armor piercing infantry.

and that's it

[Kauppaneuvos]

I think it's sometimes ven easy to defeat trolls.

A lot of archers and armor piercing infantry.

and that's it

Wise words here, i always used militia-spearman to kill them. Now I'm enlightened.

[Myshkin]

There are many ways to do it. I use repeated cavarly charges, or repeated AP infantry charges.

Trolls are low in numbers, so if you quit while you fight, you only lose 5-6 men. A toll you would pay anyway. So retreat and charge again, whatever the unit is.

[Muffer Nl]

Trols beat it...

[Myshkin]

desc_unit is savegame compatible, only campaign scripts are not.