Royal Marines (Land Brigades)

Fighting on land

Wonder if there will be royal marine land units this time around since there was about 30,000 of them in 1805. This would be a unit that would help give the Great Britain faction its personality since they relied on their navy heavily. The Royal Marines served quite extensively on land during this period and deserve not to be overlooked. Maybe the lead unit designer Lusted can give us some insight since this is his area.

Source:
http://www.napoleon-series.org/milit...c_marines.html

Good point, aslo how about French marines, what with not wanting to venture out to often against the Brits at times they must of being rather land locked, didn't Nappy use them in land campaigns?

Good idea, I dont think we will see them in game though

Originally Posted by -Joker-

Good idea, I dont think we will see them in game though

Well there was an American Marine land unit in ETW it would be a shock to be honest with you if there is no Royal Marine land unit in NTW. If JL is as knowledgeable as he claims about the Napoleonic Wars then there will be a Royal Marine land unit for GB I hope.

Originally Posted by Reiksmarshal

Well there was an American Marine land unit in ETW it would be a shock to be honest with you if there is no Royal Marine land unit in NTW. If JL is as knowledgeable as he claims about the Napoleonic Wars then there will be a Royal Marine land unit for GB I hope.

Want to bet it will be DLC? And you can recruit only 1 unit.

Maybe the lead unit designer Lusted can give us some insight since this is his area.

There will not be seperate Royal Marine units as they would essentially be the same as the normal British units but just look slightly different.

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

There will not be seperate Royal Marine units as they would essentially be the same as the normal British units but just look slightly different.

As always thanks for gracing the thread and answering the question. I don't think them just being an other land unit but looks different is the best reason for leaving them out of the game in fact I think they look cool as hell and should be represented in the game because they are unique and would add personality to the GB roster who else used marines on such a large scale? nobody is the answer. They could have different stats since Marines were usually trained to shoot at individual targets vs the regular solider was not so maybe their accuracy would be better but their reload time would be slower due to the fact they probably weren't flogged as much for slow reloading time. Marines would most likely be of higher moral standing due to their roles they played on ships cop criminal mentality so they could have better moral then an average land unit full of criminals etc. I am disappointed they are not in the game disappointed indeed, but would be willing to buy them as DLC.

Royal Marine


Regular Soldier


Who wouldn't want to be able to recruit Royal Marines as land units?

Me.

I don't care honnestly. They are anecdotic (and their coolness is subjective i guess)

Originally Posted by The Gallant Forty-Twa

Its not asif it would even be hard for them to make it. All it requires is a trouser swap and a hat swap from the basic soldiers (as you posted above) and you would pretty much have your marine.

They could wear the same trouser but they would be white.

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Originally Posted by Keyser

Me.

I don't care honnestly. They are anecdotic (and their coolness is subjective i guess)

Maybe I am a bit bias being a former Marine but that being said they are different. Some might not see the difference in a Hussar or a Lancer unit, to them they are just cavalry units.

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

There will not be seperate Royal Marine units as they would essentially be the same as the normal British units but just look slightly different.

So why the USMC in ETW?

The USMC isnt the most famous Marine corps (not counting WW2 and Modern Conflicts)

Britains Marines deserve to eb in game just as much as the Black watch or HMS victory...

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

There will not be seperate Royal Marine units as they would essentially be the same as the normal British units but just look slightly different.

.....Like all the DLC units? lol.

Originally Posted by Magic Man

.....Like all the DLC units? lol.

cut him some slack. he just answered the question. that the answer is rediculous is not his fault.

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

There will not be seperate Royal Marine units as they would essentially be the same as the normal British units but just look slightly different.

That is the whole point.

Originally Posted by Reiksmarshal

The British Army had roughly 124,000 infantry in 1805 30,000 which were Royal Marines. If anything they should be a core unit for GB and not dismissed as not significant or the same as line infantry. I can guarantee the standards to be a Marine were much higher then being regular army, do you really think they would let criminals police ships and guard the officers? Come on Jack throw us a bone and add a Royal Marine unit we would be grateful. Here is some ideas on how to make a game version of Royal Marines:

Royal Marines - Would be named 1st Royal Marines, 2nd Royal Marines, etc.
-120 per unit
-Better Accuracy then regulars.
-Can be recruited at the Navel Academies (naval building in the major cities)
-Higher Morale (due to better pay and higher recruitment standards)
-No recruitment limits since they accounted for almost 25% of the infantry in 1805.
-Can disembark from ships on land and not have movement penalties i.e. can move the same turn they make a landing so they can perform lighting raids like they did in history.

Good luck, mate!

Pleas use the Edit Post function the next time in stead of double posting. Thank you.

Hesus

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

There will not be seperate Royal Marine units as they would essentially be the same as the normal British units but just look slightly different.

I can't believe I just read this, was your head in the sand when you researched your units? How could such a staple unit be excluded from the game, your starting to worry me Jack and you are the Lead Unit Designer can you wave your magic wand and add this unit in surely it could be done fairly easily. Please don't glaze over GB unit roster and deny them their true character of a true naval power with naval land forces please bloody please! All the info you need about this unit is here in this very thread, you can't go wrong adding this unit.

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

There will not be seperate Royal Marine units as they would essentially be the same as the normal British units but just look slightly different.

That seems to be a sound decision. I'm not aware of any major involvement by the Royal Marines in combined operations during the Napoleonic Wars. Although, of course they were heavily involved in Naval invasions. But from what I've heard these will not feature in NTW anyway.

Hopefully, where marines were used in military campaigns they will be included.

Originally Posted by Didz

That seems to be a sound decision.

Not really just start reading about the The Peninsular War and you will find quite a bit of marine involvement. You will find there were permanent marine battalions formed to serve during land operations and were stationed in Portugal I know of at least 3 battalions.

Originally Posted by Lord Cornwallis

Not really just start reading about the The Peninsular War and you will find quite a bit of marine involvement. You will find there were permanent marine battalions formed to serve during land operations and were stationed in Portugal I know of at least 3 battalions.

Not noticed them listed in the OOB's of any of the major battles, so it makes perfect sense that players should not expect to be able to use them as land units.

So we'll see them in a DLC then?

Its not asif it would even be hard for them to make it. All it requires is a trouser swap and a hat swap from the basic soldiers (as you posted above) and you would pretty much have your marine.

Just as today the Royal Marines are a better trained force than the Royal army and should be in. You say you that they would basically be the same so theres no point putting them in yet you release a DLC for the 33rd infantry... they ARE regular infantry, just with a reputation.


And as far as the USMC being in ETW, i think its stupid personally but its a perfect example of how CA basically made ETW for America.


The Royal Marines were alot more significant during this time than the united states marines were during the 18th century.

Perhaps they could be used in the same way as armed citizens are used now, like for example if you have a certain number of sloops, you have 1 regiment, or 3 1st rates you have 3 regiments...